Are Big Churches Better At Discipling Children?

Andy Stanley, pastor of North Point Community Church, made some comments about parents who attend small churches which generated a lot of activity on social media. Though Stanley’s comments were regrettable, they pose an important question: What is the best way to disciple children? And, are big churches better equipped to minister to youth than small ones? My sister,Tandi Thomas, serves as the children’s director at a large suburban church and has an excellent perspective on this question — so I asked her to write this guest post. I think you’ll find it very helpful!

We’ll discuss this issue at 11 a.m. Saturday, on Up for Debate with big-church proponent Luke McDonald of Harvest Bible Chapel, and small-church proponent Karl Vaters of NewSmallChurch.com.

 

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Tandi Thomas and her husband, Doug.

by Tandi Thomas

Megachurch Pastor Andy Stanley recently received an avalanche of criticism for accusing people who attend small churches of being selfish. Stanley has since apologized for his statements, which I appreciate. But, what about the premise of his argument? According to Stanley, big churches are better equipped to disciple the next generation because they are big enough to segregate people by age, and then design programs to suit specific age groups.

“We want churches to be large enough so that there are enough middle schoolers and high schoolers, that we don’t have one youth group with middle school and high school together,” he said. “We want there to be so many adults that there will be so many middle school and high school kids that we can have two separate environments.”  

As the director of children’s ministry at a megachurch in Maryland, one might expect I would agree with Stanley. But, I don’t. In fact, what I have found from my kids’ experience at our mega-church, the research, and the Bible is that age-segregated ministry can actually hinder children’s spiritual development, not help it.  

My Kids’ Experience

When my twins graduated from high school, they, unlike most of their friends, easily assimilated into the life of our church. They had been attending the adult service throughout high school, unlike their friends who had only attended our church’s youth service. They also served in our children’s ministry and knew our teaching pastors and worship team members. We would discuss the pastor’s message in the car ride home and spend time together with other church families — as families.  

Teenagers across the nation leave the church at alarmingly high rates… They simply were not getting connected at their church, nor at a church where they were attending college.

Consequently, whenever my twins came home from college on break, they felt at home attending church, even if none of their peers were home visiting.  Younger church children would come running up to welcome home “Miss Kristin” and “Mr. Jonathan.” My adult friends would ask Kristin and Jonathan how they were doing, prayed over them and gave godly counsel.  

In contrast, their friends who had been actively, but solely, involved in the high school ministry, struggled after graduation. In essence, they had lost their church.  Being connected only with their peers, they didn’t know what to do when they entered the main church lobby, nor did they recognize anyone when they entered the main worship service. Some church-hopped looking for another church that resembled the high school ministry environment. Others stopped attending church altogether. Being connected with their peers alone was not enough.

As the children and youth staffs at our church started meeting and examining what was happening with the next generation, it became clear that the experience of my own kids and their friends was not unique. Teenagers across the nation leave the church at alarmingly high rates (anywhere from 60-80% depending on the study). They simply were not getting connected at their church, nor at a church where they were attending college.

What the Research Says

In studying the research, and talking with parents and young adults, I have become convinced that the two critical factors for the spiritual formation of children and youth have nothing to do with providing an age-specific worship or small group experience. Rather, children need parents who live out their love for Jesus every day. They also need to be in relationship with people who are older and younger than they are. This is what matters.

Seeing the trend of youth leaving the church, Fuller Youth Institute decided to find out why and undertook a six-year College Transition Project. What they discovered is that more than any other participation variable measured, it was students’ participation in all-church worship during high school that was consistently linked with developing a mature faith in both high school and college. Apparently, students need to connect with adults in worship, not be separated from them.

Another study launched by the National Study of Youth and Religion found that the influence of parents is another key factor. It reported that 82% of children raised by parents who talked about faith at home attached great importance to their beliefs. It also found that children who were active in their congregations  while growing up tended to be religiously active as young adults. It was parents engaging with their children about their faith that made the difference.

What the Bible Says

God already told us what it takes to pass along our faith to the next generation — and it’s not a mega-church.

We shouldn’t be surprised at these findings. God already told us what it takes to pass along our faith to the next generation — and it’s not a mega-church. Instead, he told parents that passing along their faith meant truly loving Him and then, sharing that love with their kids 24/7. “Love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength. These commandments that I give you today are to be upon your hearts. Impress them on your children.  Talk about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up.” (Deut. 6:5-7)  

Paul reiterated God’s plan to fathers in Ephesians 6, “Fathers, do not exasperate your children; instead, bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord.” In addition, in the early church, the model of the older mentoring the younger was evident — whether it was Paul mentoring Timothy or the older women discipling the young wives and mothers. And of course, the early Church itself was comprised of small house churches that would have been multi-generational.

Taking Steps to Change the Culture

While our church currently has an age-segregated approach, we are actively taking steps to change our culture so that parents don’t view dropping off their kids in Sunday School or youth group as sufficient.  

  • Parents are continually reminded of the 1/164 fraction — one hour out of 164 hours in a week is not sufficient discipleship. Instead, children and youth ministry at church is a jumping off point for week-long discussion and time in the Bible together — as a family.  
  • Worshipping as a family and then, serving in their child’s class or in the youth group is promoted as the model to follow.  
  • Other ministries at our church are encouraged to make events family gatherings whenever possible. For example, when we have our community-wide ServeFest, many of our serving opportunities are specifically designed to be something the whole family can do together. Even our missions department offers family mission trips.  
  • Soon we hope to launch our “milestones” to help parents intentionally disciple their child from birth through college graduation. Parents will learn how to be their child’s baptism coach, write a family mission statement, regularly bless their child, and more.
  • Elementary, middle school and high school students are encouraged to invest in younger kids by serving in our children’s ministry.

I grew up in a church of 200. My parents weren’t selfish. They were followers of Jesus, who shared their love for Him with me everyday. They were involved in a church filled with sincere followers of Jesus, who took an interest in me and encouraged me to pursue Jesus. I’m passionately serving at my mega-church because my parents and the community of my small church faithfully discipled me. The size of a church is relatively unimportant; the engagement of Christian adults with children is critical.

About the Author

Tandi Thomas is director of children’s ministry at Grace Community Church in Fulton, MD. Prior to that, she worked for about 10 years on Capitol Hill as legislative director for House Speaker Dennis Hastert — and even longer than that as a homeschool mom. She and her husband have two grown children and one high schooler, and live in Ellicott City, MD.

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5 thoughts on “Are Big Churches Better At Discipling Children?

  1. Angie

    I’ve been a part of several churches over the last 25 years. From a couple hundred members to a couple thousand, to currently pioneering a new church with my pastor-husband (still small, about 75 total including kids). I couldn’t agree more with what is written here. We were youth pastors for 15 of those 25 past years, with large youth groups, and the teens who’s parents lived out their faith and were connected in other ways at church are mostly the ones who entered adulthood with heir faith intact.

  2. Great points, Tandi! The Milestones program sounds wonderful! While I can only speak for my small church and not all small churches everywhere, we are continually seeking ways to best serve our children. One of those ways is by integrating them into the adult worship service during middle elementary school. We are also in the midst of developing some additional complementary programs targeted specifically at children aging out of kid’s worship. Would you please share this with our readers at the Literacy Musing Mondays Linkup? We love posts that point our readers to the Word of God! #LMMLinkup http://www.foreverjoyful.net/?p=925

  3. Ina

    Yes, this is very excellently put! As a mother of three, and a grandmother, I have been involved in multiple churches over the years, from fast growing large, and small, to now a very slow growing one, in several states and on the mission field. I agree that more needs to be put on the shoulders of the parents in many ways. We really have a small group of children and youth presently and some of us are praying for a youth pastor, to help us with a more focused on the young in the church. One thing I have noticed in the mega churches is when an introverted person goes to those, and I know of two different churches and states actually, where they just are ignored. A friend who came out of a treatment program, and even though he is now clean, he has quit going to church, because he said he went for a year, and no one reached out, and included him in anything. He just plain got lost in the crowd. :/ So sad. Also my daughter went to a church, with two services, and she stood in the foyer, with people coming and going and no one reached out, and invited her to conversation even. One problem is that as a nurse she was only there every other weekend. I personally do like the feel of a small connected church.

  4. Amen! I am a former youth pastor and I couldn’t agree more. Deuteronomy is so clear, everyday interactions are vital and normative for development. Once-in-a-while age specific programming may play a role, but they are not substitutes. No doubt Andy’s ministry plays an important role in God’s Kingdom, but he should respect the role of other ministries of different shapes and sizes.

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