Estimado John MacArthur,
Hace poco leí tu carta abierta al gobernador de California, Gavin Newsom, criticándolo por su moralidad al revés y por no proteger a los vulnerables.
Resueno con mucho de lo que escribiste. Como bien dices, las Escrituras enseñan que el “principal deber” de los líderes cívicos es “recompensar a los que hacen el bien y castigar a los malhechores”. Y estoy de acuerdo en que el gobernador Newsom no solo ha fallado en este sentido, sino que rutinariamente ha invertido este deber “al revés, recompensando a los malhechores y castigando a los justos”.
También comparto su indignación porque Newsom tergiversó las palabras de Jesús de Marcos 12:31 en una campaña para apoyar el aborto. Los líderes cívicos deberían proteger a los no nacidos, pero Newsom ha promovido su matanza y blasfemado contra Dios en el proceso.
Sin embargo, me sorprende leer estas palabras de usted, alguien que tampoco ha logrado proteger a los más vulnerables y, en cambio, ha protegido a quienes los han dañado. Y usted no es un líder cívico; usted es un pastor, y bíblicamente mantenido a un nivel más alto.
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Te pusiste del lado del abusador de niños David Gray cuando su esposa lo acusó. E incluso después de que Gray fuera condenado por abusar sexualmente de sus hijos, su iglesia apoyó su “ministerio” en prisión. En el boletín de Gray en 2012 apareció un respaldo, supuestamente suyo, que nunca ha refutado.
Mientras tanto, castigaste a la esposa de Gray, Eileen, excomulgar y avergonzar públicamente ella por rechazar su impía presión para permitir que David regrese a la casa de la familia.
Muchos han tratado de defenderte, diciendo que ignorabas los abusos de David Gray, pero eso parece imposible.
David Gray confesó que abusó de sus hijos en el asesoramiento con Carey Hardy, un anciano de Grace Community Church (GCC), previo a la excomunión de Eileen en 2002. Gray incluso le entregó a Hardy un escrito a mano “lista de pecados” durante el asesoramiento y admitió que usó un “cinturón y una vara con demasiada dureza, brutalmente” en un niño; “ató” y “encerraron” al niño; y no siempre estaba “adecuadamente vestido” en presencia del niño.
Además, Hardy confirma en un declaración dada a un tribunal de Los Ángeles que la iglesia sabía sobre las denuncias de abuso de Eileen y la orden de restricción que había obtenido para su protección y la de sus hijos.
Sin embargo, usted y los otros ancianos de GCC instaron a Eileen en varias cartas a eliminar la orden de restricción. Y Hardy le dijo a Eileen en el asesoramiento que "se sometiera a (David Gray), incluso a pesar de que admitió haber abusado de ella y sus hijos", según un informe. declaración judicial suministrado por un pastor externo.
Lo que le hiciste a Eileen Gray y sus hijos fue despreciable.
Y, sin embargo, no te has arrepentido de nada de eso, ni te has disculpado con Eileen por el daño irreparable que le causaste a ella y a su familia.
¿Cómo puedes juzgar a Gavin Newsom o a cualquier otra persona por un "guerra contra los niños” cuando castigaste a una madre por negarse a permitir que un abusador regresara a su casa?
Puede haber una guerra contra los niños perpetrada por personas ajenas a la iglesia. Pero también hay una guerra perpetrada por aquellos dentro de la iglesia. Y lamentablemente, lo has habilitado.
Antes de señalar con el dedo a los demás, harías bien en examinarte a ti mismo. Como dice Romanos 2: “No tienes excusa, tú que juzgas a otro, porque en cualquier punto que juzgas a otro, te condenas a ti mismo, porque tú que juzgas haces las mismas cosas”.
Pero hay más que la debacle de David Gray.
tú de manera similar cubierto para Paul Guay, otro pedófilo.
Según un testigo presencial, Guay le confesó que había abusado sexualmente de su propia hija, Wendy Guay.
He publicado documentos que respaldan esta acusación, incluida una carta escrita a mano por usted a Wendy en la que afirma que usted y Paul Guay “hablaron extensamente sobre la situación”; insta a Wendy a que perdone a su padre; y confirma que Paul Guay seguirá siendo “una parte fiel de nuestro personal”.
Durante tres años después de su confesión informada, Paul Guay siguió siendo pastor en GCC.
Y décadas más tarde, cuando Wendy te pidió ayuda para exponer a su padre a la iglesia que él pastoreaba, tú respondió en un correo electrónico:: “No estoy seguro de por qué todo esto se ha convertido en una obsesión para ti después de tantos años, pero ni yo ni nadie en Grace podemos hacer nada más que alentarte a que nos comportamos con integridad bíblica”.
Como pastor, tu trabajo era proteger a las ovejas. Pero permitiste que un lobo entrara en el redil e ignoraste los balidos de los más vulnerables. Su respuesta cruel y desdeñosa devastó a Wendy Guay y permitió que su padre pedófilo siguiera pastoreando durante otros nueve años.
La iglesia de Paul Guay, que no pudo expulsar a Guay después de que Wendy y otras víctimas denunciaron su abuso, desde entonces ha se arrepintieron de su pésima respuesta. Pero ni siquiera has reconocido el papel que jugaste, y mucho menos te has arrepentido.
Lo que es peor, reclamaste usted estaban siendo perseguidos, y tuvieron el descaro de sugerir que Dios juzgaría a sus acusadores.
“Nunca te vengues, amada”, afirmaste desde tu púlpito de matones poco después de que publiqué la historia de Wendy. “(P) pero dejad lugar a la ira de Dios, porque escrito está: 'Mía es la venganza. yo pagaré, dice el Señor'”.
John MacArthur, ha llamado públicamente al gobernador Newsom al arrepentimiento. Pero aparentemente has ignorado una larga lista de tus propias transgresiones.
Además de cómo trataste a Eileen Gray y Wendy Guay, tienes:
- Defendió la esclavitud, afirmando que “es un poco extraño que tengamos tanta aversión a la esclavitud” y agregó que “trabajar para un amo amable, cariñoso y amoroso era el mejor de los mundos posibles. Si tenías el maestro adecuado, todo estaba arreglado”.
- Le dijo a Beth Moore que “Vete a casa.” Tal comportamiento condescendiente hacia otra persona nunca se justifica, independientemente de las diferencias teológicas.
- Inflado sus credenciales. No tiene un doctorado ganado, por lo que usar el título en un ministerio sitio web es engañoso
- Embelleció una historia sobre su participación con los líderes negros cuando Martin Luther King, Jr., fue asesinado. Existen diferencias clave entre la historia que ha contado repetidamente y la historia contada por testigos presenciales. Esto no es “recordar mal”; es tergiversar.
- enriquecido con dólares del ministerio. Recibió al menos tres salarios ministeriales de 2005 a 2015. No sé cuánto ganó por pastorear GCC durante ese tiempo. Pero sé que además al salario de tu iglesia, ganaste $3.2 millones durante esos años. Ahora, sus ministerios mantienen en secreto todos sus salarios. Si sus salarios están justificados, ¿por qué no divulgarlos completamente?
- me acusó de publicando “falsedades” sobre el brote de COVID de diciembre de 2020 en GCC cuando usted fue quien no reveló la verdad ni advirtió a su congregación. Mi informe fue preciso. Los feligreses murieron. Y estuviste ausente de tu púlpito durante ese tiempo porque tenía covid, no simplemente porque necesitabas “descansar”.
Además de estas transgresiones propias, ha pasado por alto y ha apoyado tácitamente el comportamiento de intimidación del anciano de GCC y director ejecutivo de Grace to You, Phil Johnson.
Su cuenta de twitter es un flujo constante de insultos y condescendencias que de ninguna manera refleja el fruto del Espíritu. Pero su decisión del año pasado de dox mí y luego defender su comportamiento verdaderamente cruzó una línea. Sin embargo, no dijiste nada.
También está apoyando a John Street, jefe del programa de consejería para graduados en The Master's University, quien instruye a las esposas cristianas a soportar el abuso de sus maridos como misionero soporta la persecución.
Debido a esta enseñanza, innumerables mujeres y niños han sido puestos en peligro. Sin embargo, el la enseñanza permanece en línea—incluso después de que yo y otros lo denunciamos.
Usted le escribió al gobernador Newsom que su alma “está en grave peligro eterno”. Pero, ¿has considerado el peligro al que te enfrentas? Tú también has permitido que las personas confiadas a tu cuidado sufran daño. Y tú también darás cuenta a Dios.
John MacArthur, usted ha predicado la Palabra de Dios, y por eso, debe ser elogiado. Sin embargo, las Escrituras dicen que incluso si hablamos “lenguas humanas y angélicas, pero no tenemos amor, somos como metal que retiñe o címbalo que retiñe”. (1 Corintios 13:1)
De manera similar, Jesús advirtió que en el cielo, “muchos me dirán: 'Señor, Señor, ¿no profetizamos en tu nombre, y en tu nombre echamos fuera demonios, y en tu nombre hicimos muchos milagros?' Y les declararé: 'Nunca los conocí; apartaos de mí, malhechores.'” (Mat. 7:21-23)
No pretendo conocer la condición de tu alma. Pero sí sé que has agraviado gravemente a las personas por las que he llegado a preocuparme profundamente. Y rezo, por su bien y por el bien de las muchas almas heridas que he entrevistado, para que cambie de rumbo y haga las cosas bien.
Que Dios tenga misericordia de todos nosotros.
para su gloria,
Julie Roys es una reportera de investigación veterana y fundadora de The Roys Report. Antes de eso, presentó un programa nacional de entrevistas en Moody Radio Network, llamado Up for Debate. También ha trabajado como reportera de televisión para una filial de CBS, redactora de noticias para WGN-TV y Fox News Chicago, y ha publicado artículos en numerosas publicaciones periódicas.
127 pensamientos sobre “Opinion: An Open Letter to John MacArthur”
Bravo Julie!! I have a huge problem with John MacArthur and have for years. I am not surprised by his blindness to his own sin. His preaching is strident and accusatory. He appears to have grace only for those he deems worthy. He condemns quickly and thoroughly. It’s terribly ironic to me that his radio program is called “GRACE to you when he seemingly lacks that in his ministry.
Julie. I applaud your courage, clarity and conviction.
Julie, this is a magnificent open letter. And the tone of grace even comes through in the much needed confrontation and list of “crimes” . . . In my opinion, that’s what he has committed as a Pastor. Praying, that at his age, he would have even an inkling of conviction. May the Lord speak to him in such a way that gets his attention.
Thank you, Julie, for your courage, your voice, and your heart for calling the church to correctly represent Christ.
Outstanding letter Julie, bravo!! I hope he truly repents of his own errors and publicly apologies to his congregation from the pulpit and to those he has harmed.
Bravo for saying what needs to be said.
Sadly, I suspect your post will fall on deaf ears (or eyes, as the case may be). In his staunch support of patriarchy, JMac has repeatedly made clear that he does not consider women people he needs to listen to, let alone heed.
I support ‘patriarchy’ too; but not the distortions of MacArthur. The patriarchs set the scene for the nation of Israel which brought the Messiah. Now as ‘patriarch’ of my family, I am there to shepherd, serve, care for, not frustrate my children and all in submission to my wife (yes husbands and wives submit to each other).
Oh, yes….there is no sparing of the rod – for this spoiled, self-righteous, ego-inflated reprobate child.. nor should there be!! (1Cor5.12,13)
But to keep it all real – I would like then to see Julie’s specific charges against Gavin Newsom – a SECULAR governor of ALL the citizens of the great state of California – as opposed to a representative of the Kingdom of God. She would do well to provide as opposed to glittering generalities – which begin to look more as slander – regarding which we are called to put aside.
And to keep it real, I financially support Julie’s ministry – but we cannot countenance unfounded statements because mere sentiment.
I don’t expose the specific evils of Gavin Newsom because I focus on exposing corruption and abuse within the church. There are plenty of outlets exposing the evils of secular leaders. But I believe judgment begins with the house of God. (1 Peter 4:17) And as is, I only have the bandwidth to investigate a small fraction of the churches/Christian orgs/leaders I hear about. But by God’s grace, I’m trying to be faithful to do what I can.
What a ripper letter; thanks for publishing it.
Thank you, Julie, for finding and being bold enough to share the truth. I grew up deeply entrenched in evangelical Christianity (my dad was a Church of the Nazarene pastor) and then married a pastor of an independent Baptist Church (of whom I am now divorced). I left the church and could not even read my Bible for a long time. You speaking the truth of the limited humanity of church leaders has given me the validation and then healing I needed to reconnect with God and the truth that Jesus taught. THANK YOU!
Hello Amy. I’m so glad you found your way back to God. I went through abuse & then a public shunning. I’m thankful I never lost fellowship with God (I sure didn’t like Christians though!). It is a process and it is painful. God isn’t on Team Abuser but sometimes it feels that way. **hug**
Julie, how many times are you going to publicly castigate John MacArthur for past sins? Until he confesses? MacArthur was responding with an interpretation of wife/husband issues the same way that millions of pastors did, and still do today. I learned long ago that that approach was very unhealthy for everyone concerned. So, MacArthur was ministering under the old approach that he truly thought was right. Maybe he still does. However, in a sense, you are doing what MacArthur also did on many occasions as you say nasty (and probably true) things about him. You give him faint praise by acknowledging that he’s done a lot of good work. That’s an understatement; he’s made amazing contributions to the evangelical world. I’ve not been a big fan of MacArthur over the years because he too often has said nasty things against fellow leaders. At one time, he opposed Billy Graham because Graham had non-Christians on his platform. At the same time, I do acknowledge all that he’s done over his lifetime. Was all Calvin’s work spoiled because he approved the burning of Servetus? I hope not because he had, and continues, to influence millions of Christians positively.
Wow old approach huh. Using your logic I guess burning those witches at stake makes perfect sense to you since it was an old approach of the time. He’s just a typical malignant narcissist American evangelical and no where except in America is his damnation approach and fear approach tolerated.
Actually, for the most part all of Calvin’s work is suspect to the very fact that any right theology that he may have had was destroyed by his wrong living. Orthopraxy and Orthodoxy must align for anyone to have a truly credible witness. They are both, MacArthur and Calvin are akin to Pharisees.
Yes, David as much as it takes. Let’s see: John was for slavery, he protects pedos and yes CALIVINS work should be spoiled and ignored for burning of Servetus. And the innocent woman of Salem. Big John teaches that some are born, and God has ordained they will go to hell. Really, what kind of psycho god brings future cannon fodder into this world. Its big johns’ teachings. I have yet to hear other pastors concur with his views. Hes a self-loving greedy old fool needing to go the way of the dinosaurs. In politics and the pulpit, we have to many old bitter people that are past their prime and need to go away and take their greed and bitterness with them. You talk about all he has done. What about the collateral damage of people turning their backs on God because of his teachings and Copelands and other ilk. Like Amy Simler, I too ran from the Church when I was bombarded with the thought that TITHES it’s all about TITHES or God will get you, as they sit in their mansion and remind us God must love us best. While in the cities they preach, people are hungry and sick and live-in the streets. AMERICAN Christianity is a whole separate world from the rest of the Christians. Self-love is what evangelical and the rocks and roll “Christian musicians and rappers” operate off of. Just watch the dove awards. A celebration of “aren’t we sooooooooo Godly”.
Well said Gary, and it’s high time all of these men are held accountable.
I am quoting David French (The French Press)…”When I wrote about Ravi Zacharias, I observed that no degree of greatness can overcome lawlessness.” God will never overlook the lawlessness of John MacArthur simply because he “continues to influence millions of Christians positively.” One can teach and write all they want in the name of Jesus and not know him at all. I’m afraid John MacArthur will be getting the millstone for what he has done in wicked complicity unless there is true repentance.
I once heard the following advice. Where I heard it, I no longer recall. It has often helped me to think very hard before writing or saying anything. It is particularly relevant when one feels the urge to accuse others:
1) Does it need to be said?
2) Does it need to be said now?
3) Does it need to be said now by me?
Comparing a Christian with someone who rejects Christ (Newsom) in a public forum is probably not the wisest choice. Perhaps you can explain why you did it. I am curious.
I would say she wrote the letter because
1) It needed to be said
2) It needed to be said now
3) It needed to be said by someone with a credible voice and a large enough voice to be heard.
I agree with Mike Bulkley. Julie has done the research on John MacArthur’s past behaviors and has a Christian news platform,so she appears to be a great person to point out JMac’s blantant hypocrisy. So, it absolutely needed to be said, and responding to JMac’s letter to Newsom was an opportune time to say it.
“Comparing a Christian with someone who rejects Christ (Newsom) in a public forum is probably not the wisest choice. Perhaps you can explain why you did it. I am curious.”
If you read this letter, she’s already answered this question. Perhaps a re-read would be helpful.
Cynthia, Julie is simply warning the flock, like a Christian is supposed to do.
And hopefully John sees this and apologizes to Eileen, and Wendy, and all of the other women and children that have been abused by his church.
John needs to publicly apologise to Eileen, like he publicly shamed her, and until then he has no true repentance and brokenness.
Julie–you seriously need to stop with this so-called “ministry” of yours. You have zero grace and you sow public discord among the body of Christ. It’s sickening.
oh Adam you have repeatedly attacked Julie for bringing the truth out on the ilk within the body of Christ. What secrets do you hide?
What basis would you use for her having to ‘stop’ her ‘so-called’ ministry of hers? That you don’t like what she says, or you simply don’t like seeing people you revere exposed as frauds?
I just realized you are actually correct. Paul warns all of us about unwholesome talk coming out of our mouths…
I think it’s time for me to shake the dust off of my feet and stop coming to this site.
Bye, Julie. And thanks, Adam. Sowing discord is one of Satan’s skills. I no longer wish to participate.
Cynthia, even though I disagree with almost everything you post, I hope you don’t leave the site. You give me a lot of insight into how the right-wingers in our country think. Of course your bantering with Marin Heiskell, with whom I almost always agree, would be greatly missed by all. Please reconsider.
Did John the Baptist “sow discord” by calling out Herod’s sins publicy?
We don’t have to agree with everything Julie does but the truth is more could be said about John McArthur. He also made comments that were borderline. Jesus would have never talked the way he did about Beth Moore or Russel Moore just because they don’t share the same views.
Perhaps what Julie is doing is exposing leaders in the church who have not been good expressions of God’s grace or protecting their members.
I hope you dropped the mic after writing this. Best writing you have ever done.
Amen! Best writing you have ever done Julie!
Outstanding Julie and bravo. BUT as I have stated in other posts. I will never blame the pastors or staff for what they do. they are just being themselves. I do blame the congregations thru foolishness or fear that stick around. To many fear the pastor’s vs reading the word and have confidence in any discernment god gives them. To many uses scripture to put fear in themselves when they believe God will get you if you challenge any pastor. Once I challenged a Prosperity gospel preacher over the life of luxury vs Jesus humble life and he said I will not mock God. I said I’m mocking you and you aint God. His anger (righteous wrath he said) was very entertaining. I’ve learned the more angerly you spew your words the more likely you’re hiding your own doubts.
You have written an outstanding letter to John MacArthur! It is essential for everyone to know the Truth! Thank you very much!
Thank you Julie and your staff. My wife and I have supported the Grace family of ministries since 1997. No longer because of these terrible and other revelations and first hand feedback by family members who were at Grace. We ended all of our financial support progressively since 2021 and altogether early this summer. We feel stabbed in the heart by our church and John MacArthur and the entire leadership of Grace Church and GTY.
Julie you are a true heroine! Thank you for being such an eloquent, gracious yet fearsome and true voice for those who have been so traumatized we have temporarily lost ours. You are spot on about John MacArthur. Sadly he had way too long to spawn a whole mess of men just like him. His arrogance is relentless and his attitude totally unrepentant. He ceased being a mouthpiece for the true biblical God long ago. And true undershepherd he is not.
Thank you for speaking up and speaking out. You have laid out a fact filled case that speaks prophetically, not only to the particular abusive behavior and patterns of covering up sin connected to JM and those he enabled, but in a way that we should hope resonates throughout the church in America. May God’s grace and healing touch the lives of all those who have suffered under such ungodly and destructive leadership.
I see He has an Honorary Degree, I checked his web site and could not see it referring to him as Doctor, maybe I missed it.
Paul said, “When Peter came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he was clearly in the wrong.”
Nathan said to David, “You are the man!”
They both repented.
These “celebrity” Christians have avoided accountability to their detriment personally, BUT also to the witness of the Church- which belongs to Christ.
Rahab, Deborah, Anna, Mary Madelyn… ordinary women, extraordinary accomplishments.
Don’t grow weary Julie. Stay strong and courageous, please.
Sadly, John’s ego will preclude him from repenting. I hope I am wrong, but his past behavior says differently.
Your courage is refreshing and much needed in Christendom today.
This whole open letter to Newsome is all just a virtue signal on JM’s part. Everyone is talking about it like it was is such a noble and brave thing for him to do. He is simply gaining more honor for himself amongst the evangelical tube-feeders who think he is a god. Apparently his appetite for honor amongst men is never satisfied. That’s good enough for him.
I know why you wrote your letter, Julie, but believing that JM lives his life before God rather than before men is nothing more than wishful thinking. I think Jesus tell us to die to self, not promote it.
And secondly, JM didn’t write the letter from his heart to Newsom because he cares about Newsom or the people in California. He wrote it for publicity–period. JM knows Newsom is no God fearer and is not in the least bit interested in biblical truth or what JM tell’s him his role should be in the light of scripture.
So why waste the ink and paper? The only explanation is the gaining of the spotlight, which he surely accomplished.
Julie, that letter was amazing. Reminds me of the line from the old tv show Dragnet, “just the facts, ma’am”, and that’s exactly what you wrote.
While not a truth based on God’s Word , the adage that “ actions speak louder than words” is certainly a truth comes to the forefront here. Don’t shoot the messenger, Julie is simply relaying the obvious truth. Julie is not the only one who wrote of the great evils put upon children by David Gray & Paul Guay. When Jesus spoke the words the “Truth would set me free”, it has become literal in my life. So when peoples actions don’t jive with their words, it sets me free to see they aren’t being truthful and should not be trusted.
Stay on that narrow path Julie, we support you.
The letter addressed to the governor of California was self serving. Truth is we can’t really expect anything godly from the world. Great job Julie, i believe change will happen soon.
Bravo, Julie!!! May the Lord sustain you against the attacks which I see in the comments are already beginning to come. I had never seen the clip of MacArthur’s view on slavery. I’ve been walking around talking to the Lord trying to even process that. Did the Lord not free the Israelites from the Egyptians? Did Jesus not come to free Israel from the heavy burden of the legalistic leadership of His day? Did He not say in Isaiah 61 that He came to set the captives free? Did He not come to free us from the slavery of sin? Do we not serve Him VOLUNTARILY as bond servants? Has he not said in 1 Corinthians 1:21 through Paul, “if you can gain your freedom, do so”? No wonder MacArthur doesn’t get it about abuse in families. It appears that MacArthur is living in some kind of a La La Land that is out of touch with the depravity of human oppression and depth of human suffering. Our God is a God of justice, a God of the Spirit and of the heart. Something is radically and grievously wrong with MacArthur’s perceptions.
Kathleen, John wrote a book a few years back titled, Slave.
And he has a new legacy study Bible, where he uses the word slave, in place of servant.
I credit the teaching of John MacArthur with creating in me a desire to be a “slave” to Christ. I have every book ever written by him including Slave. I recall him saying the publisher feared the title would be too provocative, too offensive. It is. However, he persisted.
As you said, other words can be used. The title of the book is just another act in a long list of actions that imply John MacArthur can be indifferent to others.
Well I hope you detractors all got your say in about John McArthur’s shortcomings. Stone throwers galore. Does that feel good?Judges everywhere, ready to send him and his soul up the river.
Perhaps he has faltered. Perhaps it was the people around him who faltered. Did these victims sue him or the church if the facts are beyond dispute? Did they reach a private settlement no one can speak about?
I know about abusers and how the church is terrified at dealing with them. It is a problem multiplied across the land. Satan delights at anything to keep the gospel from being boldly preached.
But John has single handedly had more positive influence on me and likely the rest of the world than anyone alive.
In context, the slave reference is simple truth. His recent anti-government statements have likely got the DOJ looking at how to silence him. Wouldn’t you detractors just love to see that. Serves him right, huh? Be very cautious. Seek the truth and encourage repentance where required, but none of us knows the truth. Every one gets their day in court and their side heard…unless in this Forum, your John McArthur. This is National Enquirer level gossip because all the facts are not public.
Did you know that he has also said on more than one occasion, that you can still repent, after you take the mark of the beast?
Debra, my KJV bible has it correctly, do you believe that you were a slave to sin, or a servant to sin?
I know I was a servant to sin. Before we are saved we love our sins, we aren’t enslaved to them,and that is what Johns changing the word servant to sin to slave to sin, does, it says that we are enslaved to them.
And Jesus came to set us free, that does Not sound like we are slaves to me. He says that we are his Brothers and he even calls us friends, not slaves.
We love serving Jesus, a slave has no choice.
And there is a huge difference.
John couldn’t even get Revelation 14:9-11 correct, and you love his books?
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