Former President Donald Trump’s shifting rhetoric on abortion has unsettled some conservative faith-based activists, with evangelical Christian leaders especially fretting over the Republican presidential candidate’s recent remarks on Florida’s proposed abortion amendment and allowing federal funding for IVF procedures that some say are tantamount to abortion.
But even amid the backlash, several of Trump’s longterm evangelical supporters are insisting the former president, who still publicly takes credit for nominating the conservative justices who helped overturn Roe v. Wade in 2022, remains the best candidate for their cause.
Trump has distanced himself from hardline abortion stances since at least September 2023, when he riled anti-abortion activists by calling Florida’s six-week abortion ban a “terrible thing and a terrible mistake.” But last month, he called Florida’s current limit on abortion to the first six weeks of pregnancy “too short” and, when asked about a ballot initiative in the state that would enshrine abortion access, said, “I am going to be voting that we need more than six weeks.”
The comments drew swift blowback from anti-abortion activists such as Jeanne Mancini, head of the March for Life, an annual anti-abortion event in Washington where Trump spoke in 2020. en un pair de publicaciones on X on Aug. 30, Mancini responded to Trump’s remarks without mentioning him by name.
“Any politician that would consider voting affirmatively for such a measure will undoubtedly lose the support of pro-life Americans,” she wrote. “We must not lose sight of the fact that the human rights issue of abortion takes the lives of the unborn and deeply harms women both mentally and physically. The reality is that the tragedy of abortion cannot be reduced to politics alone, much less sacrificed for what is perceived to be politically expedient.”
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Trump’s campaign insisted he did not say precisely how he would vote, and the candidate himself eventually clarified to Fox News that he would not support the ballot initiative. But the back-and-forth came the same week that Trump announced plans to federally subsidize in-vitro fertilization, a procedure opposed by some anti-abortion activists because it often involves the disposal of embryos.
In June, an effort to protect IVF access failed in the U.S. Senate after most Republicans, including Trump’s running mate, Ohio Sen. JD Vance, voted against it. About the same time, the Southern Baptist Convention, at its annual meeting, voted in support of a measure calling for more government regulation of the process.
Al Mohler, the president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, who in June called IVF “immoral,” warned Trump in an editorial this week that he risks alienating his anti-abortion base.
“(Trump) needs to remember that he cannot win without strong — very strong — pro-life support,” Mohler escribió in World Magazine, an evangelical Christian publication. “The other side is not impressed with his equivocations on the issue, even as his base is endangered by any confusion.”
Lila Rose, head of the influential anti-abortion group Live Action, blasted the Trump campaign on medios de comunicación social on Aug. 29, saying, “Given the current situation, we have two pro-abortion tickets. A Trump win is not a pro-life win right now.”
en un interview with Politico Magazine, Rose refused to say whether she would vote for Trump, saying only, “I am going to see how the next few weeks unfold,” and urging her supporters to put pressure on his campaign.
Trump has suggested his shift on the issue is a result of raw politics: Since the 2022 Dobbs decision, which overturned Roe and allowed states to make their own abortion policy, abortion-related ballot initiatives have gone the way of abortion rights activists — even in red states such as Kansas and Ohio. Trump blamed the Republican Party’s anti-abortion stance for its middling results in the 2022 midterm elections.
With 10 more abortion-related ballot initiatives in November — including in swing states like Arizona — the issue has the potential to fracture the Republican coalition. White evangelicals, who have long heavily supported the GOP and who alone make up 30% of the party according to a Public Religion Research Institute, are disproportionately opposed to abortion: 72% believe the practice should be illegal in all or most cases, according to a separate PRRI survey conducted in March.
Nationwide, 64% of Americans told PRRI that abortion should be legal in all or most cases — including 62% of white Catholics and 57% of Hispanic Catholics, despite official opposition from the Catholic Church. When it comes to IVF, 70% of Americans say IVF access is a good thing, according to an April poll from Pew Research, with majorities of every major religious group saying the same — including 63% of white evangelicals.
In July, the RNC published a new platform that omitted the rationale for a federal abortion ban for the first time in decades, likely reflecting Trump’s misgivings about the political liability of the party’s traditional position.
Abby Johnson, who runs the anti-abortion group And Then There Were None, suggested in a statement sent to media that activists have been pushing Trump and his campaign behind the scenes to change course.
“President Trump’s comments surrounding life issues have been troubling for many in the pro-life movement,” Johnson said. “That is why many of us have been working behind the scenes with him and his campaign team, hoping to change the course he is on. We have already seen some course correction and we hope to see much more.”
Former Vice President Mike Pence, a conservative Christian, was also critical of Trump and told the National Review this week, “The Trump-Pence administration stood for life without apology for four years. The former President’s use of the language of the Left, pledging that his administration would be ‘great for women and their reproductive rights’ should be concerning for millions of pro-life Americans.”
But despite the criticism, some of Trump’s longtime religious supporters continue to rally around him. The Rev. Franklin Graham, the son of the famous evangelist Billy Graham who has called abortion “a genocide of the unborn,” insisted Trump’s past actions were more important than his campaign rhetoric.
“I don’t just consider a candidate’s words, I look at their actions and what they have done,” Graham told media in a statement. “Former President Donald Trump has a four-year track record of appointing judges who protect life. While his position on abortion may not be as absolute as some would hope, it doesn’t change the fact that he has been the most pro-life president in my lifetime and is the only pro-life presidential candidate on the ballot this election.”
Ralph Reed, who has spent decades organizing evangelicals as head of the Faith and Freedom Coalition, said he does not see evangelicals abandoning Trump because of his abortion stances. Saying he was “never concerned” that Trump would support the ballot initiative in Florida, Reed suggested conservative voters will back Trump because the alternative — voting for Vice President Kamala Harris, the Democratic presidential nominee — is simply untenable.
He contrasted Trump’s record on the issue with that of Harris, whose campaign has placed her support for abortion rights front and center. Harris has tied abortion access to personal freedom — the campaign’s slogan — as has her running mate Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz, who has sung the praises of IVF on the stump while connecting it to his own family’s fertility struggles (though they had not, he had to clarify, turned to IVF but rather used a less invasive procedure).
Citing Harris’ support for policies such as legislation that would restore abortion access nationwide, Reed called her “the most radical pro-abortion nominee for president in the modern political era.” Her positions, he argued, are so “extreme” that she is ultimately “unacceptable to voters of faith.”
“For all these reasons, evangelicals will turn out in record numbers in November and vote overwhelmingly for Trump,” Reed predicted.
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Trump might as well give two dollars for every Trump supporting pro-lifer for their trouble since he doesn’t need them anymore (but THEY need him – after all who else can they vote for). And they will STILL support and defend him. Can you say Stockholm syndrome?
There were 2 conservative Presidents in the 20th century: Calvin Coolidge and Ronald Reagan. Trump is not in their league. But compared to Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, and Kamala Harris, he’s attractive enough to those on the right. As for his stand on abortion, he’s only being more honest now about his true position, because of the politics resulting ironically from his SC appointments, who returned the abortion issue to the states.
Well since evangelicalism rose at the dawn of the industrial revolution due to extreme issues created by severe alcoholism and urbane dysfunctionalism in general lead by women 3-2 it’s not shocking really how dysfunctional it is. A literacy cult in a literacy culture. This is just technology called writing not reality, or this is holy Scripture and it’s not it’s technology to write.
Trumps stance on abortion, compared to Harris’s stance… it’s night and day. There would be no reason for any supporter to switch to Harris based on this.
A deep dive into abortion politics might persuade you otherwise
Of course evangelicals will still vote for trump. It was never about abortion- it was always about power. Abortion has literally always just been a way to hold the Christian vote hostage. Christianity has always failed when it’s partnered with political power. American christians who support trump have completely lost their witness to the watching world.
Our entire Christian family is voting for Trump. Like King David & all the rest of us fallen & flawed humans, he’s still God’s chosen man for this time & task. And he’s by far, the best man for the job. He will be voted in again as president & in 2025 we’re going to witness an incredible change for good not just in the USA but the entire world. And yes, God is using him to destroy the satanic cabal. Thank you, Heavenly Father!
Do not put your trust in princes, in human beings, who cannot save. -Psalm 146:3
There is only one who is worthy of such trust. It wasn’t King David, nor is it DJT. I hope you aren’t too disillusioned when your vision doesn’t come to pass.
Uh read YHWH’S description of what a follower of LORD JESUS should look for in any leader they may support in 1 Timothy 3:1-16 and 1 Timothy 6:5. These scripture absolutely disqualify Donald Trump.
Just as Obama was God’s chosen for that time and task? And Biden for now?
What about Harris? Will she be God’s chosen for a time and a task?
I sure hope you’re not into that ‘Q’ stuff. Because your comment echoes a lot of their mislead ideas.
I think the woman may be better for the job than the 78 year old clearly demented candidate
This is the sunk cost fallacy + demonizing another party in action. When you are so dug in to a view that you can’t change your mind or you’ll be cast out of your community (see the story re: “you can’t be a Christian if… [which is another fallacy itself: ‘no true Scotsman’]) people do indeed become so blinded and unwilling to change that they would rather walk off a cliff than admit they might have been wrong.
(I know I invited “but the dems *are* demons” type comments – I’m not going to engage)
Let’s face it. Trump has, is and will make many people within the GOP disappointed. Since he’s all about Trump and very little about anything else.
Of course they still support him. It’s a cult. It’s further proof that American evangelicalism is devoid of truth.
Evangelicals could have supported a born-again person like Mike Pence during the Republican Primaries, but no… they want a thug and strongman like Trump. During the primaries Trump crushed the opposition ….this reveals the true character of most evangelicals in the U.S….
gordon,
I think this is a really valid point. While I’m not sure where Mike Pence is in his faith, he definitely is closer to holding/acting out biblical principles than Donald. The fact that Christians on the right weren’t lining up to support Pence says a lot about how much it’s really their faith they care about when choosing a President
Agreed, pence seems like a decent human being. You get all the policies with someone who better represents Christianity. But they want the strong man to stick it to the libs. They’ve been raised on dreaming about everyone they hate burning in hell for eternity.
Our president is a dementia sufferer. His party doggedly supported and defended him, only changing their tune when his abysmal debate performance forced them to admit he is not well. What is there to say about the state of our country when the Commander in Chief, the man with the nuclear codes, our spokesman to the heads of hostile nations, is so obviously mentally disordered? The situation seems almost….allegorical.
I agree trump would be a poor choice for president due to his obvious cognitive decline!
As Trump moves the cheese AGAIN, evangelicals still supporting him need to just own that is their personal political preference (which is their right) and STOP trying to wrap it up in Bible verses, allegories, and Christianese.
Comparing Trup to King David or Cyrus, saying “he is a fallen man like all of us”, doesn’t make you sound spiritual, because we know you’ll sing a COMPLETELY different tune that lacks ANY grace when the candidate is a Democrat. It makes you look like a hypocrite.
Claiming Trump is “God’s chosen man” does not make you sound close to God – other Christians are claiming to hear the opposite (also problematic) – it makes you look idolatrous (and makes God look inconsistent, which we know He isn’t).
You’re biased towards Trump. Ok. Own it. Vote for him, it’s your right to do so. All these attempts to spiritualize it isn’t helping the church. Demonizing and villifying fellow believers who don’t share your bias/preference isn’t helping the church. We need to find a way to acknowledge our preferences and remain unified in spreading and living out the gospel. The church is to reflect Christ, not our political preference.
Marín,
What happens when, as a “believer,” one’s “political preference” actually reflects Satan? What happens when a person claims to know Christ, yet that person’s actions do not reflect a knowledge of how God views right and wrong?
And, most importantly, what happens when so-called Christians claim they can vote their preference without any acknowledgement of the consequences their preference will have on the most vulnerable in our midst?
The true Church DOES reflect Christ, and it does so by choosing wisely when it comes to elections. The witness of the true Church rests on the Bible and what the Bible says about sin, forgiveness, and salvation.
This is NOT “Christianese,” as you so often claim. It is simple, straightforward Biblical truth. Take it or leave it.
If “simple, straightforward Biblical truth” were simple, straightforward Biblical truth then we wouldn’t have 3 major sects (Protestant, Catholic, Eastern Orthodox), dozens of demoniations within those groups, and then arguments even between the demoniations as to what “simple, straightforward Biblical truth” is. A little less certainty and a lot more grace would reflect Christ far better.
cinthia-
Either side can say the other’s “political preference actually reflects Satan.” If you look both parties stances on ALL the issues, both have positions that could harm vulnerable populations and NEITHER fully reflects God; and even a partial reflection of God – just like partial obedience – is sin. (Let’s remember Satan often gets his foothold by twisting scripture and altering the image of God.)
We ALL sin – which means we ALL have areas in our lives that do not reflect a full knowledge (or application of that knowledge) of God. So to put believers who disagree with your political preference in quotes (as if they aren’t true believers) is a dangerous game. Someone could look at an area of your life and do the same. What we should do is pray – all believers have the Holy Spirit; pray for the conviction of the Holy Spirit (for ALL of us). I recall when I was young in my faith and didn’t have NEARLY the convictions I do now. Those convictions didn’t come from other believers looking down on me with “you’re clearly not one of us” attitudes. They came from prayer, discipling from those who saw me as a fellow believer who needed guidance and growth, and the conviction of the Holy Spirit.
So yes, the witness of the church rests on the Bible and what it says about sin and forgiveness and salvation. But when we are only applying that to people who vote like us (promoting implications like Republicans are “sinners forgiven by grace”, but Democrats “aren’t real believers”), we are NOT resting the witness of the church on the Bible, but on the ballot. And that is hypocrisy wrapped in Christianese.
Marín,
Your position and statements continue to reflect an uncertainty about what is right (per the Bible) and what is wrong (per the Bible).
cinthia-
What part was wrong – that both parties have flawed stances? That we ALL sin – Democrat, Republican, me….including you? That determining whether someone is a “true believer” based on political vote rather than faith in Christ as Savior is wrong? That only extending grace to those who are of the “right party” is unBiblical?
This is what I just said, and the fact you find that to be an “uncertainty about what is right and what is wrong” tells me where you’re getting your standard of truth from – and it’s not scripture.
What if the Bible is inerrant, but “Dr” Cynthia’s interpretations of the Bible are incorrect?
Marín:
For you to consider:
“Discernment is not knowing the difference between right and wrong. It is knowing the difference between right and almost right.”
Carlos Spurgeon
What if trump is the anti-Christ Cynthia? Sent by satan to destroy the church and the nation? Have you co soldered for a second the possibility?
https://www.benjaminlcorey.com/could-american-evangelicals-spot-the-antichrist-heres-the-biblical-predictions/
Donald maluga:
The Anti-Christ will be an attractive and well-loved individual who will fool many. President Trump doesn’t fit that description, so he’s definitely not who you’re looking for. The abortion issue is now in the hands of the states, as it should be. I can only applaud President Trump for giving it back to the people to decide.
Wrong, he had a wound to the head he recovered from Cynthia. He’s beloved by many, how do you explain his support amongst Christians?
Many seem to be fooled by trump. You absolutely have been fooled; he’s clearly an Antichrist. You have deemed him Gods anointed. What happens if he loses the election then, just like he did in 2020 (despite many prophets claiming he would win)?
The numbers are in folks. Going back to Trump’s first run, abortion has almost never polled as the top issue among his evangelical supporters. Usually it’s been immigration.
So now we’ve got 2 Pro-choice candidates, but one a serial liar, slanderer, adulterer and sexual abuser.
Karl Pausen,
Are you claiming President Trump is pro-choice?
Cynthia – the recent shift in Trump’s language (stating he would NOT vote for the federal ban, he believes 6 weeks is too soon, etc.) is leaning towards pro-choice. When you look across the spectrum of beliefs about abortion (from full ban under ANY circumstances to allowing late term – and there’s a LOT in between those extremes), Trump’s new stance is actually the same of many pro-choice activists.
Si.
First – his position supporting IVF is functionally abortion if you believe life begins at conception when a zygote is formed.
Second – leaving the question to the states (as his most recent position seems to be) is also functionally pro-choice (it also absolves him of needing to take a position)
Third: he attempted a coup. To me, that renders any other position moot.
That is correct. The only difference in this issue between Trump and Harris is one of degree.
The pro-Trumpers on this site can’t seem to understand that voting for a lesser of 2 evils is still voting for evil. The irony is that they had a chance to nominate someone who aligned with their Christian beliefs better like Mike Pence, but they went all in with Trump from the very beginning. That is because they sold their principles for 30 pieces of silver (like Rush Limbaugh) to support Trump.
Functionally, yes. He has jettisoned the pro-life movement and removed the pro-life plank from the Republican party.
In reality, anyone paying attention should be able to see that Trump has few real convictions beyond serving himself. He simply supports whatever cause or group is most likely to bring him power.
In this case he played the pro-life movement like a fiddle. They danced to his tune, gave him their coin and got drunk on his power. Now he’s moved on and they’re left behind, broke and with a hangover.
A coin? I thought it was two dollars.
Cynthia, in 1999 in an interview with Tim Russert, trump answered the question as to whether he would support partial birth abortion in the affirmative, and then explaining further that he was “pro-choice in every respect”.
in the years following, he took on pro-life terminology as he catered to the conservative voting block. It worked so well for him. It gave him the loyal evangelical following.
Once he accomplished the overturning of vs Wade, and then saw that it was no longer going to be a winning issue for him, he took a turn – back to his core values, or lack thereof. There is no philosophical or religious value for life at his core. His pro-life stance was all a facade to fit the expectations of his followers.
Correct. He says or supports whatever works at the time to get what he wants. The ultimate flip-flopper. The only consistency in Trump’s beliefs and positions is they are whatever benefits Trump the most at that particular time.
Charles Mallet:
“The ultimate flip-flopper” can actually be applied to Harris, the least popular candidate of all time.
President Trump does not need to run. He is doing it for the good of our nation.
Harris, on the other hand, needs to run. She has nothing else.
I’m confused Cynthia – you asked a question about Trump’s stance (if/why it is considered pro-choice), and received multiple answers with proof….yet did a whataboutism to ramble about Harris and popularity. Huh?
I have consistently watched Trump (since the 80s) and been wary of his flip flopping on abortion (among many issues). I think it’s fair for anyone to ask questions and expect him to clarify why his position changed.
I have also listened to what Harris had to say about her changing of positions. I thik it’s fair to ask questions and expect answers. I don’t 100% agree with all of her new positions (I’m a centrist), but I do respect her saying that she learned a lot while in office that led to shifting of position. That is relatable, as I’ve been through that in my career as well: my core values remaining the same, but as I learned about the industry and gained more experience, there are some things I now do differently and battles that I do and do not pick (oh how I wish I had known some of these things earlier). I consider that wise.
You also have repeatedly attacked Harris’s motives, yet quickly tell others not to analyze Trump’s motivation with that convenient “Christianese” of “only God can see it, not you.” Why didn’t this SAME concept apply to you when you referred to Harris as “not having a heart aimed at love” and “evil to the core”? That’s a HUGE assessment and condemnation of her heart and motives. This is why I call it Christianese. Yes, it’s true that only God can see our hearts, but these truths are only whipped out by believers when convenient to their argument.
Tricia,
Did you watch the debate? President Trump met the goal of many on both sides of the political aisle when he gave the decision for whether to allow abortions or not back to the people during his presidency. The Roe V. Wade decision was wrong on many levels, but it was mostly wrong from a Constitutional perspective because it gave the Federal Government too much power over an area of life that should be decided by the voting public.
That’s what President Trump was able to accomplish, so, as he himself said, what he himself believes no longer matters. It’s up to the people in individual states to decide, as it should be.
So, ultimately, striking down Roe V. Wade was a Constitutional victory as well as a moral one. And please stop trying to analyze President Trump’s motivation- only God can see it, not you.
Yes I watched the debate.
I don’t have much more to say to anyone who still thinks after watching that, that he is a good choice or even a safe choice for our country.
He’s living in the delusion of his deceptions and taking half a country with him.
Wait wait wait
Don’t judge trumps motivation, yet in multiple, multiple, multiple posts Dr Cynthia here judges Kamala Harris’ motivations. Hypocrisy of the highest order.
We will see in the coming days how many “pro-life” voters will ultimately bow down and ignore their “pro-life” convictions for the sake of having a republican president. Will they be willing to sacrifice babies for political power?
To one and all,
I am smiling today. I don’t think Americans were fooled by Harris and her “unburdened by what has been” philosophy. She appears to live for power, and she aims to get it at whatever the cost.
I truly pity her. Anyone who has to use abortion to win ANYTHING is a sick and hollow individual. I like what President Trump said: It’s not up to him or what he believes now. It’s up to each individual state to vote their preferences either for or against the procedure.
Well done, President Trump.
Both Democrats and Republicans now have a pro-abortion stance.
The only difference is Democrats want to control abortion at the individual level and Republicans want to control abortion at the State level.
Really surprised how hypocritical Evangelicals have become over the abortion issue after years of supporting a Pro-Life party.
cinthia-
Your language is full of judgment, condemnation, condescension, and proclamations of knowing the heart and intention of Kamala. So I will say to you what you said earlier: please stop trying to analyze VP Harris’s motivation. Only God can see it, not you.
I also ask that you consider praying for our leaders rather than pitying them. Isn’t that what scripture calls us to do? “I pity her” is merely self-righteous grandstanding.
I’m ready to move forward as a nation. I am tired of the demonizing and vilifying of those we disagree with, “us versus them” among fellow Americans, complaining about the past (2020 is over 4 years ago!), and constant victimhood on display by Trump and the GOP (the media, the DOJ, everyone is plotting against him). I want a POTUS who understands they are a leader, not a victim.
Kamala laid out the concepts of her plan for the middle class (changes in child tax credits, small business/enterpreneurial grants, etc), and for foreign policy (Putin and Hamas both must be stopped), and was met with continued gripes and insults. I wanted to see a debate on those things, not 90 minutes of complaints and insults.
Oh how I pray we find a way to move forward. Can we discuss and debate policy, please?
Marin Heiskell:
You are always free to vote for the person you feel represents you best.
cinthia-
Still no answer for how you are able to judge Kamala’s heart and motivation, but warn others against judging Trump’s…..
I’ve repeatedly asked as I’m interested in the answer.
Marín,
I am looking at the tangibles – what she has actually DONE. I am judging her actions while in office (or lack thereof), and those actions reflect an appalling lack of heart. I am also reading personal stories from past staff members who describe her character in less than glowing terms. Further, I am analyzing why her own family describes her negatively and why she dropped out of the Presidential primaries in 2019, her campaign in disarray. I am analyzing her own words and the way she changes her accent depending on the crowd. Notably, she has yet to take responsibility for the illegal immigrant situation, the disaster in Afghanistan, the 21% inflation rate…I could go on. As the Ottawa County veterans’ motto states, “Deeds, not Words.” Harris has done nothing good for our nation as far as I can see. If she has, perhaps you could point it out for me.
In comparison, President Trump is himself always. What you see is what you get. As we learned in one of my college Bible classes, it is better to “Sin Boldly” than to pretend to be good. President Trump fits the former description while Harris fits the latter.
cinthia-
Same thing can be said about Trump. He has former staff members who are voting for Harris and warning us about if he gets another term. He has family members writing books and giving speeches warning us.
He has judgments against him for not renting to Black people (you never address this, but I guess it’s ok because it’s not against people who look like you). He has been indicted and been recorded saying appalling things about objectifying and assaulting women.
You dismiss and downplay this as “being himself always” with ZERO acknowledgment that this is sinful and concerning. It’s no different than the moms who see their sons objectify girls and dismiss it with, “it’s just boys being boys” rather than calling it the sin that it is and calling for boys to do better.
Just admit you’re ok with Trump’s sins but have ZERO grace for Harris. This actually is one reason why Trump lacks one KEY trait that should be important in leaders: accountability. His supporters have nothing but excuses for anything he says and does, so he will never be called to repent or do better. Your comments prove it.
To Cynthia,
I am smiling today. I don’t think Americans missed trumps clear cognitive decline. He’s too old to run for president. He lacks the ability to discern lies from truth. He lives to accumulate wealth and power while lying, cheating, stealing, slandering, and raping along the way.
I truly pity him. Clearly he is a pawn of satan to ruin the church and this country. He’s fooled many millions of Christians who are choosing not political expediency over their own integrity.
Donald maluga,
You have been deceived. President Trump’s speech can only be interpreted and understood by Americans who love this nation. If you think he’s in “cognitive decline,” you don’t love this nation.
And, no, he’s definitely not “too old” to be President, nor does he live to “accumulate wealth and power while lying, cheating, stealing, slandering, and raping along the way.”
You have been deceived, likely by the media combined with Satan. Satan is the “prince of the power of the air,” and you must have believed his lies. I am so sorry!
Cynthia – So if we don’t agree with Trump – or understand his ramblings on things like immigrants eating pets – we don’t love this nation? I’d love for you to tell that to the MANY veterans who have risked their lives for this country, yet don’t agree with Trump, that it means they don’t love this nation.
And if we don’t agree with you on Trump, we’ve been “deceived by Satan”? Could it be that the ways in which Trump falls short (and we all do, right?) is more of a dealbreaker for Donald than for us – and that you feel the same way about Kamala? (And I am not that bothered by Trump’s age – Reagan was up there in age, too; I DO care about seeing younger people involved in politics to reflect the voice of our younger populations, but that’s another topic)
God bless you, my sister in Christ. Vote as you see fit, but please stop with the self-righteous condescensions, judgments, and condemnations towards those who disagree. Is there anything God-glorifying to gain from it?
Marin Heiskell:
My words: “President Trump’s speech can only be interpreted and understood by Americans who love this nation.”
Where did I mention agreeing with President Trump? You can absolutely love the USA and not agree with President Trump’s words. But, here’s the kicker: Can you love the USA and not agree with his policies? Those who are blinded by Trump hatred fail to grasp this fact: His policies were good for the United States. His ACTIONS helped our country in innumerable ways, including keeping us free from any wars for four years.
Those who disagree with my comments are free to do so, but please don’t equate my factual statements with “self-righteous condescensions, judgments, and condemnations towards those who disagree.”
If you feel, as a believer, that you can vote for the ACTIONS/POLICIES promoted by Harris, go for it. God will judge each of us according to His will, not mine. I will judge the qualifications of any candidate based on what that candidate has actually accomplished. Using that standard, Harris doesn’t even reach the starting line.
cinthia-
Expressing pity for and doubting those who support Democrats are true believers (by creatively putting believers in quotes) is self-righteous and condemning, period.
How about prayer instead of pity? How about acknowledging believers can disagree with Trump and still be in right standing with the Lord?
cinthia,
You are naive to think that Trump running for the good of the nation. Trump is running for his own personal gain and to stay of out jail. Trump only does what is best for Trump.
Charles Mallet,
You have been deceived. President Trump does not need to run to “stay out of jail.” He’s doing fairly well with the trumped-up charges against him.
He is running to help our country. I applaud him that, despite nearly daily attacks from people like you, he keeps on keeping on.
Our family, relatives, friends, and fellow believers will vote for President Trump. The alternative is too devoid of truth, character, and love of Capitalism.
Since you think President Trump is running for “personal gain,” tell me what he stands to gain by running for President. He’s already been shot and he’s a multi-millionaire.
Marín Heiskell,
Perhaps a step back from your bias would be helpful. I said NOTHING about skin color, nor did I say anything about those who support Democrats. I was very specific: We are talking about supporting HARRIS here. Her POLICIES align with a pro-abortion, anti-business, pro-Green agenda that, to me, is anti-Biblical.
You can disagree, but if you support her, you will be supporting policies I cannot support as a Christian. Here is just a sample of her world-view as expressed by the policies she has supported. It comes from “Issues & Insights”:
“The climate change scare is a role player in the larger revolution the political left is determined to push through. That’s why climate brat Greta Thunberg is also a Hamas apologist, the Black Lives Matter movement intersects with the demonization of Christopher Columbus and the transgender madness is sacred to Democrats. It’s part of Obama’s goal of “fundamentally transforming” not just the U.S., but the entire Western world. If it’s allowed to roll on, through Harris-Walz and a Democratic Congress, things will end badly. Revolutions led by power-mad malfeasants seeking meaning for their lives always do.”
To All:
This is just one of the many problems I have noticed with Harris: She lacks understanding and wisdom and generally relies on story-telling and emotion when asked a direct question requiring concrete plans:
“Harris’ dodge resembles the response she gave at the ABC News debate when she was asked by moderator David Muir whether Americans are economically “better off than they were four years ago.”
“So I was raised as a middle-class kid,” Harris told Muir. “And I am actually the only person on this stage who has a plan that is about lifting up the middle class and working people of America. I believe in the ambition, the aspirations, the dreams of the American people, and that is why I imagine and have actually a plan to build what I call an opportunity economy.”
She went on to tout the same proposals without answering whether Americans are better off now than they were four years ago.”
https://www.foxnews.com/media/harris-dodges-question-lowering-prices-describing-middle-class-roots-neighbors-proud-lawn
The other day I listened to some history podcasts. It’s true, history repeats itself. And some of the old arguments come in slight variations. Remember the red scare in the fifties? McCarthyism, watergate, Berry Goldwater, and so on? In the end of the day we do not know for sure what really happens if Kamala Harris gets elected. And we do not know for sure what happens if Donald Trump gets elected. Let’s pray and be loving as best as we can. Donald Trump, Tim Walz, Kamala Harris, jD Vance, you, that guy from Ukraine over there, the Nigerian over here – they all are made in Gods image. May Gods will and not ours be done.