As the 2024 presidential contest enters its final days, former President Donald Trump is turning to the group most responsible for getting him this far: evangelical Christians.
“I’m here tonight to deliver a simple message to Christians across America: It’s time to stand up and save your country,” Trump told a group of pastors in Concord, North Carolina, on Monday evening. He then implored his religious supporters to flood the polls on Election Day, saying, “On Nov. 5, Christian voters need to turn out in the largest numbers ever.”
It was part of the former president’s closing pitch to his most loyal religious supporters, coming amid a string of faith-themed events across multiple states scheduled for the waning days of his campaign. Trump has made similar arguments in the past, but his God-talk has taken on new forms this year, particularly in the wake of the assassination attempt on his life in July. While the former president’s backpedaling on abortion has frustrated some of his religious supporters, prompting questions of turnout, evangelicals who advise Trump are adamant he will not only retain his long-standing support among their group, but also surprise Democrats by making gains among Hispanic evangelicals as well.
The string of faith-leaning events is something of a pivot for Trump this election. While he has engaged with religion this campaign season — he has sat in for calls with evangelical leaders, for example, and made headlines for promoting a “God Bless the USA Bible” with the tagline “we must make America pray again” — election-watchers have tracked fewer splashy appeals to evangelicals than in past years.
But on Monday, Trump and his allies outlined an argument to evangelicals that mixed policy with God-and-country rhetoric. Before he took the stage in North Carolina on Monday, the former president’s son Eric Trump warmed up the crowd with a fiery speech that implied his father was chosen by God.
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“It is so clear to me, more so than ever before, that (Trump) was put here for this mission: to save this country,” the younger Trump said, referring to how his father survived a shooting. “We need God in our life. We need God in society. We need children to respect God. We need God in our schools. And if Kamala Harris won’t say it, I will: We love God and we will always be a nation of faith.”
He was followed by the Rev. Franklin Graham, son of famed evangelist Billy Graham and a longtime supporter of Trump, who led a prayer that implored the Almighty to secure Trump’s victory, saying, “We pray for our nation, and Father if it be thy will that President Trump will win this election.”
Former Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Ben Carson, who serves as the Trump campaign’s “National Faith Chairman,” and former Trump administration official Peter Navarro, who was imprisoned earlier this year on a contempt-of-Congress conviction, also spoke. But it was Trump’s roughly hourlong address featuring a slate of faith-themed proposals that appeared to energize the crowd of pastors.
After insisting his opponent, Vice President Kamala Harris, would “come after Christians all over the country,” Trump promised to create a federal task force to fight “anti-Christian bias,” allow homeschool parents to spend $10,000 a year tax-free on costs associated with their children’s education, ban schools from “promoting critical race theory or transgender gender ideology” and “reaffirm that God created two genders: male and female.”
The proposals were light on details, and the Trump campaign did not respond to requests for clarification, instead sending along a statement by Carson insisting Trump “did more for the faith community than any president in history.” But Trump’s proposals drew praise from attendees such as the Rev. Tony Suarez, vice president of the National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference, who has served as one of Trump’s evangelical advisers since 2016. Suarez said “every issue” Trump mentioned resonated with pastors in attendance, who he said flew in from different parts of the country to attend.
“We’re seeing enthusiasm not just from leaders, but from the congregants of those leaders,” he said.
Suarez added: “It already feels like a victory rally.”
The pastor, who works out of eastern Tennessee, acknowledged some evangelicals have been concerned about Trump’s efforts to distance himself from hard-line anti-abortion policies, such as six-week abortion bans in Florida and other states, but Trump’s stance is still far to the right of Harris’. Suarez pointed to reports of the vice president allegedly mocking two anti-abortion protesters who shouted “Jesus is Lord” and “Christ is king” at a recent campaign event, telling the two young men they were at the wrong rally and they should go to the “smaller rally down the street.”
(It was unclear if Harris was aware of what the protesters were shouting, and while Trump referred to both as “college students” and Fox News repeatedly identified the men as juniors at University of Wisconsin-La Crosse, the school told media only one is currently enrolled.)
The incident has been brought up repeatedly by Trump to frame Harris as an enemy of Christians.
“She’s very destructive to religion,” Trump said. “She’s very destructive to Christianity, and very destructive to evangelicals, and to the Catholic Church.”
He then turned to Carson, just offstage, and added: “Ben, she is your worst nightmare.”
The vibe was similarly religious on Tuesday, when Trump hosted a Latino Americans for Trump roundtable in Florida. Although not promoted as a faith-themed event, the gathering featured a panel that included religious leaders and concluded with attendees praying over Trump for several minutes.
“Today, Lord, we lift up the man we believe you’ve put your hand upon to help restore America and bring America back to the place that honors you, to a place where we will not be kicked out for saying Christ the King, or Jesus is Lord,” said Ramiro Peña, who oversees Christ the King Baptist Church in Waco, Texas.
Peña then prayed that Trump would continue to listen to God and “Make America Godly Again.”
Suarez argued the religious pivot wasn’t a coincidence: Trump has made inroads with Hispanic voters for years, but especially Hispanic evangelicals, and Suarez said he expects the former president’s margins to increase this go-round.
“I think it’ll be the highest Hispanic turnout since George W. Bush,” Suarez said, referring to Bush’s high support among Hispanic voters. He argued evangelicalism itself can also be credited with the shift, saying that as Hispanic Christians “cross over” to evangelicalism from Catholicism and other denominations, that is “reflected in their vote.”
“I think we will all be surprised at how large of a percentage the Hispanic vote is for Trump,” he said.
Trump is also primed to get support from activists such as Ralph Reed, head of the Faith and Freedom Coalition, which boasts a robust field effort in swing states across the country. In a Tuesday email to RNS, Reed praised Trump’s address in North Carolina and said the Faith and Freedom Coalition has already knocked on 7,236,000 doors in the battleground states. He said his team plans to follow up with text messages and phone calls, focusing on “casual and low propensity voters who have voted less frequently in the past.”
Around 625,000 of those door knocks were in Georgia, where Trump hosted a “Believers and Ballots” town hall at a church in Zebulon on Wednesday. During the event, which lasted roughly 30 minutes, Trump insisted Christians were being “persecuted” by Democrats and implored them to vote.
A campaign spokesperson also noted that the “Believers and Ballots” program, which was launched over the summer, aims to up conservative Christian turnout among churches by increasing vote-by-mail and absentee ballots registrations as well as in-person voting. The initiative also recruits “Church Captains” to help organize prayer calls and mobilize their congregation.
“Trump understands this community, knows its leaders,” Reed said, citing Trump’s already high support among white evangelicals in polls, which Reed said he expects “may go higher by Election Day.”
Indeed, a survey conducted by Pew Research in late August and early September found 82% of white evangelicals who are registered to vote said they supported or were leaning toward Trump. But a Washington Post/Schar School poll of swing state voters conducted this month found a slightly lower figure — 78% of white evangelicals said they planned to back Trump, would probably vote for him or have already cast their vote for him.
Any winnowing of support among evangelicals, even small numbers, would be a blow for Trump. That may explain why, during his event on Monday, he accused evangelicals — who are widely known for high voter turnout as a group — of “not voting proportionately like you should.”
“At Trump rallies we don’t tell Christians to get lost, we tell Christians to get out and vote,” he said. “You don’t have the choice of sitting out this election because if Kamala Harris gets four more years, the radical left is not going to leave Christians alone.”
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As a Canadian (with our own political problems), I must ask why Latino evangelicals are increasingly supporting Trump? Didn’t he want to build a “wall” to keep them out?
There is long-standing tension between Latinos who have been in the US for generations (Texas, Colorado, Arizona, New Mexico, California, etc., which were Spanish colonies before being part of the USA) and those who came in with proper migrant visas, and those who are coming fleeing chaos in their countries of origin without valid documents. The latter can be objects of disdain to the former, because the average white American just sees someone with tan skin and assumes they’re all undocumented aliens, so the established Latinos can feel like the “illegals” give all Latinos a bad name.
The legal immigrants do not like illegal immigrants. The legal immigrants that worked hard to get where they are in our country, look down on people who did not work to earn the same rights. Plus, to have their tax money going to people that did not lawfully enter the country is offensive to them.
Michele, Latino origin US citizens or Latino origin with Latino country citizenship? Actually many of the former agree to enforcing our immigration laws. They became citizens legally and think the current administration’s policies are unjust. A wall is just an improved barrier that we have always had to ensure a finite number of ports of entry.
Legally voting Latinos aren’t the ones who he was “trying to keep out”. They are upset that so many are coming in illegally and able to do all the things they themselves worked so hard to achieve to become a citizen. So, they are ticked that there isn’t a wall yet.
He built a wall to keep those of any nationality from crossing our borders illegally.
If he wouldn’t protect Mike Pence, why would he protect voters? And if believers have God to protect us, why do we need a politician?
“A simple man believes everything, but the prudent man carefully considers his ways.” Apparently, there’s no need for such consideration when one uncritically assumes Trump is God’s anointed.
He will make whatever vain promises and empty fears he needs to in order to get votes.
Because for all intents and purposes they are practical atheists who are paradoxically engrossed in idolatry.
“This is what the Lord says: “Cursed are those who put their trust in mere humans, who rely on human strength and turn their hearts away from the Lord. They are like stunted shrubs in the desert, with no hope for the future. They will live in the barren wilderness, in an uninhabited salty land. “But blessed are those who trust in the Lord and have made the Lord their hope and confidence. They are like trees planted along a riverbank, with roots that reach deep into the water. Such trees are not bothered by the heat or worried by long months of drought. Their leaves stay green, and they never stop producing fruit.”
Jeremiah 17:5-8 NLT
That’s true of any role a human has. But God does use leaders. It’s not one or the other, God or a human leader.
In CS Lewis in The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe the professor said through the character of the professor, “Logic!” said the Professor half to himself. “Why don’t they teach logic at these schools?”
Let’s ask some logic questions- how could any man who has broken most of the 10 commandments possibly “Make America Godly Again”? Not logical, not possible. Trump is not a moral man, we cannot expect him to make our country godly.
Why would Donald Trump stand up for evangelicals in the future when hasn’t in the past? FACT: On January 6th did not attempt to save the life of the evangelical he knew best- VP Mike Pence. If he left Pence to face a violent mob at the capitol what makes you think he will stand up for you or your church? He won’t- he just wants your vote and he says what he wants you to hear to get that vote.
During the pandemic did Donald Trump stand up for evangelicals regarding church closures due to lockdowns? No. Trump did nothing and said nothing about churches being closed during lock down.
That is an opinion not a fact. The week before he requested extra capitol security denied by Pelosi. He repeated several times on Jan 6th for peaceful protest. It is an unrealistic premise to say protection means you can control the will of individuals to not break the law. So this isn’t so clear cut to be able to claim some level of protection to be fact. Are you suggesting the rally should have been cancelled? Based on what foreknowledge?
He incited a riot on the Capitol. It is a lie that he requested extra security. He controls the DC National Guard. While the riot was going on, he sat in the White House dining room watching the riot live on tv and did absolutely nothing to stop it. He is a disgrace who should never be in the White House again.
Trump incited a riot on the Capitol. He never requested extra security. Pelosi is not responsible for the Capitol police. Trump was in the WH dining room watching the riot on TV doing nothing to stop. The White House staff as well as Fox hosts were imploring him to do something. He said too bad that Mike Pence was in danger.
As we discuss logic:
What have Joe Biden and other democrats done to stop you from worshiping God for the last four years? Nothing- Joe Biden himself attends church every week. Kamala Harris grew up in the church and has never even hinted she would end Christian worship in America. How then can anyone say or believe: “If Kamala Harris gets four more years, the radical left is not going to leave Christians alone.” This kind of talk is baseless fear mongering. Don’t believe it.
Right now our fellow Americans are watching us evangelical Christians rand wondering how any of us could possibly support someone as immoral as Donald Trump. By supporting him you say to your atheist neighbor and your gay cousin LOUD AND CLEAR that your Christian morals are only important when it comes to condemning them, but not Trump. If that is the extent of our faith then we are nothing more than a clanging cymbal. God have mercy on us all.
Saeng Fisher:
You are suggesting Americans vote for someone who believes President Trump is a fascist, bringing a baby to term is optional, transgenderism should be celebrated and introduced to little children, and speech censorship is perfectly fine.
Your propaganda is falling on deaf ears here. We will vote based on policies, not character. Both candidates have lost the character debate. God does not distinguish among sinners – ALL have sinned and fall short of his glory. Given this fact, Americans will vote based on whether their lives are better today than they were four years ago.
Hint: They’re not.
I never recommended you vote for Harris. Interesting that you conclude that. What I said was non Christians are watching us and it’s hypocritical for Christians to support Trump as the “Christian option” while ignoring Trumps adultery, multiple marriages rapes, and constantly bearing false witness about fellow Americans (thinking of Haitians in Ohio). A bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Write in another candidate. Choose no candidate. But realize that your witness for Jesus is on the line. Friends, if Mike Pence refuses to endorse Trump shouldn’t that be a warning???
Saeng Fisher:
Again, please stop the propaganda. Nobody is buying it, particularly those who are looking at policy issues.
Why would you say no one is buying what Saeng is saying. A lot of Christians resonate with what he is saying.
A big part of my objection to Trump is policy. While their are more, I am mostly against the idea that we would deport millions of people who have been living and working among us. We need reasonable immigration reform not an all-out war.
Cynthia, I am disturbed you call my comments propaganda. That’s an inflammatory word which stirs up anger and possibly even hatred. We are to love one another even when discussing ideas we don’t all agree upon. I assume you are a follower of Jesus. Please extend to me the kindness I extend to you of listening carefully and responding with grace.
As for our lives being better four years ago. There was a worldwide pandemic in 2020 which changed the entire global economy. I spend most of my year overseas planting churches among unreached people groups. My cost of living overseas has increased at about the same rate as in America because we live in an interconnected global economy. We need to be realistic- no American president caused this. It would be wonderful if a president could return us to a pre-pandemic economy but that isn’t going to happen. It can’t happen because our president only leads America, not the entire world. I would not therefore advocate choosing our next national leader based on a hope of returning to the past.
Saeng Fisher:
Your words: “A bad tree cannot bear good fruit.”
This is so true. President Trump’s administration secured our border, raised the economic conditions for all, including people of color, supported pro-life policies, and moved the embassy to Jerusalem in Israel.
I could go on listing all the fantastic fruit he gave us, but I will stop here.
He is and was a very good tree indeed.
Fear sells and more so in the area of politics. Trump has tried to make the case many times that if he doesn’t become President X Y and Z will be taken away from you.
Headline: 100% Accurate. Please vote, Christians…for Trump.
When he heard that his storm troopers were chanting “hang Mike Pence,” Trump said, “who cares.” When Trump gave his 12/25/2023 CHRISTMAS greeting he yelled, “I hope my opponents BURN IN HELL.” LORD JESUS said, “love your enemy.”
By the way, Trump has clearly abandoned any support for the Pro-Life platform. He paraded his wife’s support of abortion. He abandoned any suggestion of banning the abortion pill. He abandoned his support of a nationwide ban on abortion. There is an anti-abortion true Pro-Life candidate: Randall Terry.
You can claim that Trump is pro-christian, but his failure to uphold any morality proves otherwise. Just do the 10 Commandments test on him and he fails everyone of them at levels beyond belief. And he is on record as saying he does not need LORD JESUS to save him because he is fine. You can look it up
funny, I thought it was Jesus that protected Christians. Not the goverment. Those silly 1st century christians were suckers for dying as martyers and not trying to exert political power or overthrow Rome.
It’s official. The American church is looking to Nero to protect it from persecution that amounts to a paper cut.
The profoundly ignorant will believe this lie. All Trump does is lie.
“ All Trump does is lie.”
Funny, a broad brushed statement like that one is itself a lie. So literally everything he does and says is a lie? If so, logic and reason says his following wouldn’t be as significant as it is.
“It’s time to stand up and save your country,”
I can agree with that statement. But the way to do that is not through political culture-warring, but by preaching the gospel of Jesus and demonstrating His love for the lost by doing what He did during His time on earth, and which He instructed His disciples to do.
I’m continually amazed at my brothers and sisters on this site, so blinded by hatred of a man.
Both sides are totally corrupt, people.
BOTH. TOTALLY.
Please wake yourselves and realize the days are evil.
The Roys Report has really thrown in with one camp, instead of attempting objectivity this election season. Too bad. The world really needs good journalism. Biased garbage reporting is everywhere now. Good unbiased journalism especially in the religious space would be so valuable.
I thought the piece was reported pretty straight. Where do you see bias?
Julie, I am surprised/not surprised that you don’t see it. Your site has become a collection point of negative articles about one candidate in this election. Where are the stories about the other candidate? There is a rich vein to mine there. Did you see how the author in this story described the “that rally is down the street “ incident? Is that anyone’s idea of objectivity? It would be great to see your site be truly about news and hard truths.
I report on the church and evangelicalism. The reason Trump factors into my reporting is because he is aligned with so many evangelicals. Kamala Harris, on the other hand, is not, and as a result, does not factor much into our reporting.
Appreciate this website and the article was straight reporting of what people said and did. However I think you mean to say that so many evangelicals are aligned with Trump. I don’t think we can see Trump is aligned with evangelicals in his worldview, his speech or his practices.
It’s fascinating by the way to note that Kamala Harris called her pastor the day Joe Biden resigned asking him to pray with her about the future. Perhaps the things evangelicals have heard from Trump and Fox news are not the whole truth about Harris.
Julie I’m disappointed in your response. Evangelicals for Harris made news over the last two weeks and I saw no article here. Maybe I missed it. Also, I see no article at all, ever about the long running political activities within the AME church. You could have a field day there for years, there are many stories nobody wants to touch.
It is not hatred of the man.
It is hatred for the behavior – the speech and the actions. And the influence on a large majority of the Evangelical Church to abandon foundational beliefs and values and the teachings of Jesus in exchange for the promise of power and security.
The only conclusion that can be reached after reading some of these comments, is that the great deception has come upon the Church.
Vice President Harris, as a young woman, had a years long affair with 60 year old married Mayor Willy Brown who put her in 3 corporate boards where she “earned” $400,00 to go to monthly meetings. VP Harris wants abortion to be legal up until the time of birth. She’s on video saying she’s for federally funded sex change operations for imprisoned illegal immigrants. (can’t make this stuff up). She’s also on video saying the Border Patrol should be disbanded (their Union refused to endorse her). Her justice department has imprisoned elderly women for praying at abortion centers while refusing to prosecute rioters who burned federal buildings and police stations and cars. Rather, she has called for law enforcement to be defunded. Maybe, most grievous is the way her administration sent the FBI after parents who protested against a school policy that allowed a trans student into a girls restroom where he raped a girl and then was transferred to another school where he raped another child. Before doing too much more Trump bashing it would be a positive thing to look into the destructive policy’s VP Harris has embraced and will probably continue to embrace if she’s elected.
As someone who grew up in evangelicalism, indoctrinated from birth, the sycophancy of evangelicals to elevating a convicted felon awaiting sentencing, a sexual predator, a foul-mouthed, conspiracy-floating, lying (now up past 50 thousand credibly researched lies–30 thousand during his presidency), hate-invoking, name-calling, self-absorbed, dominant male thought leader would be unbelievable IF we hadn’t seen it all our lives. Trump is the cruelly dismissive authoritarian, morally wobbly, truth-challenged, self-promoting, slightly funny evangelist who ever made some people cringe, others worship–while behind the scene pastors chuckled and said, “Well, he does bring in the offerings. And the people love him.”
Ask yourself: what is your excuse?
As for me and my house, this pastor’s kid is out. Fully out.
You forgot to mention “father of the vaccine”. ;)
I’d like to hear from the Evangelical leaders who are not supporting any of this. Please stand up, step forward and let us know who you are.
I no longer make monetary donations to any church unless l feel confident that the money is being used to spread the gospel and reach out to the unsaved (who by the way still have the option to reject it and walk away)
Right now l don’t know who can be trusted. This is too political, too extreme and in my opinion biased unbiblical rhetoric from those who are pushing God aside to achieve their own dark agenda.
Good try, Roys Report, “It’s unclear if Harris was aware what the protestor’s were shouting.” Of course she was aware! How blind can you be? She would not have answered as she did if she were not aware. Trump supported Christians during his 4 year term in office more than any other president in my life-time. As well, he fully supported Israel. Trump is absolutely right about Harris and her DOJ. They are already putting Christians behind bars for their stance on abortion.
Harris made her comment because the protesters were being disruptive, not because of what they said. She’s also called out disruptive Pro-Palestinian protesters and ejected them from her rallies/speeches.
Meanwhile, Trump openly fantasizes about and encourages the physical assault of protesters at his rallies:
“I’d like to punch him in the face”
“You know what they used to do to a guy like that in a place like this? They’d be carried out on a stretcher, folks.”
“‘Was that you, darling?’ And she gets the hell knocked out of her.”
“Get him out. Try not to hurt him. If you do I’ll defend you in court”
“If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously. Just knock the hell… I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees.”
“Maybe he should have been roughed up because it was absolutely disgusting what he was doing.”
Every accusation Trump makes is a confession. If he’s accusing Harris of doing it, he plans to do it, or is currently doing it.
Protect…from what?
I keep reading all these far-fetched, fear-based comments about what “the liberals” are going to do “to us.” Yet when I ask what have “we” been attacked or banned from doing under the Biden (or Obama) administrations, and I’m met with silence.
It’s the “liberals” who want to be left alone to live their life as they see fit; they want to marry who they want, read what they want, raise their kids as they see fit (Christian or not), be able to make private medical care decisions with their doctors, etc.
Meanwhile, it’s “the conservatives” who want the government to legislate who people can marry, what they can read, indoctrinate kids by enforcing Christian and pro-USA documents into schools (while banning other viewpoints), and have women trotted into court to “prove” their medical need for an abortion (and to have the ruling ultimately decided by the government, not their doctor). It’s the expansion of government to enforce a certain brand of Christianity on EVERYONE.
Gone are the days of “small government” conservatives. It’s all “big government to enforce OUR beliefs!” That is literally what this “need” for Trump is about. And I still ask: why?
And to be clear, I am a Christian. It is my CHOICE. I do NOT believe my faith is to be the “law of the land”. It is up to ME as a disciple to evangelize and change hearts, not demand the government legislate and enforce outward compliance to my faith. That is why I do not recognize evangelicals anymore. They “need” Trump. I don’t.
Marin Heiskell:
Your words: “Protect…from what?”
1) Protect young women in sports from having to compete against males.
2) Protect kindergarteners from being exposed to sexual perversion.
3) Protect those who oppose abortion from going to jail.
4) Protect the rights of Americans to speak their minds.
5) Protect the unborn.
6) Protect all college students from the crippling/dehumanizing results of DEI policies.
7) Protect Jews from anti-Semitic hatred and pro-Hamas idiocy
8) Protect the right to buy a car of one’s choosing regardless of its power source
9) Protect American citizens from imported criminal gangs
Just a few of the rights President Trump will protect once the current administration is gone.
Harris is desperate now. So desperate, in fact, that she has resorted to lying about President Trump as if people will actually believe her.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/10/24/trump-harris-enemies-hypocrite/
cinthia-
You give a LOT of power to one man. Please clarify:
– Did you know the issue re: transgender athletes is various state laws (some cover gender identity, some don’t)? That’s not Trump’s jurisdiction. Go to your state Senator.
– I thought PARENTS were to protect their children from sexual perversion….when did that become the government’s job?
– Name one person who is in jail SOLELY for opposing abortion.
– When have you been unable to speak your mind? Name one person who was jailed, fined or harassed by the government for speaking their mind.
– I thought the SCOTUS sent the abortion issue back to the states? Trump’s already said he’s going to veto any federal ban, and he’s telling the states to loosen abortion restrictions (claiming 6 week bans are too harsh)….so how will he protect the unborn?
– I thought the SCOTUS handled DEI (well, race-based anyway)? You DO know the majority of our under 25 population is non-white…so more non-white college students will also happen as a reflection of the population shift, right?
– Trump alone is going to stop Hamas and all anti-Semitism? How?
– What’s stopping you from buying a car of your choosing?
– Trump himself admitted the GOP failed by refusing to agree to the bipartisan bill proposed by Biden (for the election); you think he will come back to the table?
Stop being so afraid so that you can see it’s not “Trump or else!” (nor is it “Harris or else!”) It’s sad to see followers of Christ SO blinded and crippled by fear that it has you giving so much power to one human.
cinthia-
Furthermore, it is kind of funny that you deem Harris “desperate” to resort to lying on Trump, yet made excuses for Vance AND Trump lying in THE most outrageous way on an ENTIRE community (even after Vance admitted he just said it to “start a narrative”)
Oh, and Trump is now being sued by the Central Park Five for how he LIED on them (the victim did NOT die, they plead not guilty, etc) on the debate stage.
This is why this is frustrating. I don’t hate Trump. I hate seeing believers consistently justify such blatantly unBiblical behavior by him, yet somehow remember scripture when it’s Harris.
What gives Trump this constant “pass”? The same “we are all sinners” isn’t mentioned when it’s Harris. The same “I don’t expect him to be perfect” grace isn’t extended to Harris. I even read “Harris slept with a married man” by the SAME people who are supporting a Donald Trump who has been married three times, cheated on all spouses (and was so bold as to parade both wife and mistress around PUBLICLY – remember Ivanka Trump and Marla Maples?), and frequented the Playboy Mansion while married. It takes me back to how the church cried out “character matters!” when Clinton was caught with his pants down, but now it doesn’t when it is Trump.
So what is it that makes Donald J Trump so worthy of grace, and others not?
So well said Marin
The double standard is mind-boggling.
I really appreciate your engagement on this site.
I’m so often at a loss four words when it comes to how to respond to certain people. You never fail to say it just the right words with grace and wisdom.
Marin, I think it is too simplistic to define size of government directly with number of laws. That is not what is meant. It has to do with the size of the federal government regarding bureaucracy having regulations and personnel to enforce those for things that are not a moral issue or aligned with what the constitution intended. We have states and local authorities for that. And liberals would agree with laws against stealing and murder (which are managed by states just fine) and they understand there are boundaries in their lives. Conservatives believe there has been some moral decay that requires more boundaries because social convention has broken down. And I would be consistently that these laws would be best done at local levels which again promotes small federal government. But you might be right that some conservatives have not noticed they have adopted liberal practices to want to solve everything at the federal level. And by the way liberals are promoting abortion with fewer restrictions then what you are crediting them for in this election at state levels.
mh
“More of us would understand that you don’t change hearts by making sweeping judgements and assumptions about people.”
mh
“Meanwhile, it’s “the conservatives” who want the government to legislate who people can marry, what they can read, indoctrinate kids by enforcing Christian and pro-USA documents into schools (while banning other viewpoints), and have women trotted into court to “prove” their medical need for an abortion (and to have the ruling ultimately decided by the government, not their doctor). It’s the expansion of government to enforce a certain brand of Christianity on EVERYONE.”
Where’s the judgment or assumption? I merely acknowledged the policies, laws and bans conservatives are lobbying for.
“sweeping judgements and assumptions about people.”
“it’s “the conservatives” who want the government to legislate who people can marry, what they can read, indoctrinate kids by enforcing Christian and pro-USA documents into schools (while banning other viewpoints), and have women trotted into court to “prove” their medical need for an abortion (and to have the ruling ultimately decided by the government, not their doctor). It’s the expansion of government to enforce a certain brand of Christianity on EVERYONE.”
You claiming all people who are conservative, have the same beliefs of government ruling peoples lives, and forcing “certain brand of Christianity on “EVERYONE”.” That is an example of sweeping judgements and assumptions.
Of course Trump made this same case in 2020 and when Biden won in 2020 and during his term the religious freedoms of American still remained intact.
The true Church will be persecuted regardless of who gets in office. With Harris, it may be more overt. With Trump, a camp of false teachers will claim the right to power over the Church and Trump will unknowingly (I believe)help usher it in. Vote as you may, God will still reign in the hearts of true believers who will never loose their freedom to glorify God.
Bob Clatterbuck:
President Trump was President for four years. We had no wars during that time.
Enough said.
Which wars are US troops deployed to fight in since Biden became president?
“President Trump was President for four years. We had no wars during that time.” (Dr. Cynthia Norbeck)
I can’t help but wonder if the reason there were no wars during Trump’s four years is because of the many ex-military officials / current military members that served in Trump’s administration, who offered strategic military advice, such as: General John Kelly (Trump Chief of Staff), General Mark Milley (Trump Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff), General Jim Mattis (Trump Secretary of Defense), Lt. General H.R. McMaster (Trump National Security Adviser) and Mark Esper (Trump Secretary of Defense / Secretary of the Army).
More specifically, regarding the above:
John Kelly: “Certainly the former president is in the far-right area, he’s certainly an authoritarian, admires people who are dictators – he has said that. So he certainly falls into the general definition of fascist, for sure.”
Mark Milley: “Trump is a ‘fascist to the core.'”
James Mattis: “Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people – does not even pretend to try. Instead he tries to divide us.”
H.R. McMaster: In the January 6 siege on the Capitol, Trump “abandoned his oath to ‘support and defend the Constitution,’ a president’s highest obligation.”
And then there are other notables who did not serve in the Trump administration, but have critically rebuked the former president: Stanley McChrystal (Army General / Head of Joint Special Operations Command 2003-2008), Mike Mullen (Navy Admiral / Chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff 2007-2011), and James Stavridis (Navy Admiral / Supreme Allied Commander of NATO).
Enough said.
If Satan himself ran on the Republican ticket but promised to start no new wars, protect religious liberty, ban abortion at the federal level, and enforce “conservative social values,” would we expect the church to line up behind him and vote for him?
If not, where do you draw the line on where a candidate’s depravity makes them inappropriate to vote for?
If so, what possible moral ground does the church have in its ability to effectively witness to the country?
Persecution is great for the church- see the 100 million Chinese Christians. But Christians here think a democrat being in office is personal persecution. Shameful
“Pro-life conservatives and Christians condemned the vice president’s “no concessions” remarks, raising concerns over how religious-run medical facilities would be impacted.
“Kamala Harris admits she would deny religious exemptions for abortions—forcing Christians to kill unborn children and seemingly doubling down on weaponizing the government to jail pro-lifers who pray outside abortion facilities,” CatholicVote said. “Why would any Christian vote for her?”
The Catholic advocacy organization previously warned about the threat that a potential Harris presidency poses to Catholics and Christians after Biden dropped out of the race in July. The group said Harris harbored “anti-Catholic bigotry,” citing her question to a judicial nominee in 2019 whether his Catholic beliefs disqualified him from sitting on the federal bench.”
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/harris-rejects-religious-exemptions-for-abortion/
Indeed…Why would any Christian vote for her?
Trump allowed racists jokes at his msg rally, Cynthia. By supporting trump, you are supporting racism. Remember, there is always the option of voting third party, but no, you clearly are only embracing racism
Because we aren’t one issue voters. We also care about economic policies that would impact the poor and elderly.
Because we care about such extreme abortion bans that would force women to bear children by their rapists, or to endure childbirth despite risk to their life.
Because we care about the women who were trotted into court in attempt to prove they were in need of an abortion. We see that as government overreach, not to mention an invasion of privacy and lacking in compassion. We don’t want to see that happen again.
Because “seemingly” isn’t fact, it is a fear-driven assumption that can be easily calmed by knowing the Constitution, and that NO ONE has been jailed for praying outside a clinic. That’s why they can’t name anyone this happened to.
Why do Christians put such strong trust in a man who is not only backtracking on his stance on abortion to be in line with the pro-choice movement, but has said he “hasn’t asked the Lord for forgiveness because he hasn’t needed it?”
Marin
If you want to really be informed about pro life issues, spend time reading at Life Site News.
Learn about Mark Houck, a faithful Catholic who was unjustly raided at his home by the FBI for an incident concerning his pro life work. A Pennsylvania court had ruled in his favor, case closed, prior to the raid.
Whistleblowers have come forth from our government agencies to expose political bias.
Keep seeking God to give you discernment. We need it during these divisive times.
Again,
My brothers and sisters: Wake up! Both sides are evil, do evil things and are completely corrupt. Do not let hatred be your driver. Neither candidate is a “good Christian “. Admit the truth. But let us unite as believers so that in the future this great nation will actually have a God-worshipping leader. The powers of men and spirit that seek to undermine and eventually destroy this nation want believers divided, and as bitterly as possible. Stop falling for it.