Pastor Ken Graves preaches at Calvary Chapel in Bangor, Maine. The church has preemptively sued the state to halt any potential future COVID-related restrictions. (Photo: Calvary Chapel / Facebook)

Maine Church Seeks Preemptive Ban on COVID-19 Restrictions

By Associated Press

A Maine church that sued over coronavirus restrictions last year is taking a preemptive legal strike against future restrictions associated with a variant of the virus that’s spreading across the country.

Calvary Chapel in Bangor is asking the U.S. Supreme Court to stop Democratic Gov. Janet Mills from enforcing or reinstating any pandemic-related restrictions due to the delta variant. In recent weeks, COVID cases have been on the rise in every state. Experts have cited low vaccination rates as a primary causal factor. 

The state of Maine responded to the suit by noting that the governor’s civil emergency already expired, making the lawsuit unnecessary. 

“For more than two months, there have been no restrictions whatsoever on the size of gatherings, and the state of emergency expired at the end of June. Given that, we are disappointed that Calvary Chapel continues to waste public and judicial resources by attempting to litigate an issue that is now moot,” said Marc Malon, spokesperson for the attorney general’s office.

But church officials are worried that restrictions could be reinstated. Describing Mills’ previous restrictions as a 14-month “reign of terror,” church officials claimed in their request for a preemptive injunction that any restrictions would violate their religious liberties protected by the Constitution.

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“No pastor, church, or parishioner in America should have to choose between worship and criminal sanction flowing from demonstrably discriminatory restrictions,” the church’s attorney wrote.

The Supreme Court has heard similar requests on behalf of religious organizations and lifted limits in California. In May, a California district court ordered the state to pay $1.3 million in attorney’s fees to a megachurch, citing the state’s lockdown policies as “discriminatory.” 

The injunction request by the Maine church was filed last week, pending a Supreme Court decision on whether to hear the case.

The injunction is important because the Supreme Court won’t be meeting until late September to consider cases that will be heard in the coming year, according to Florida-based Liberty Counsel, which is representing Calvary Chapel.

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  1. Gordon Hackman

    Using a phrase like “Reign of Terror” to describe COVID restrictions on meeting diminishes the awfulness of the actual historical Reign of Terror and makes evangelicals look like unserious people.

  2. I’ve rarely seen a more compelling demonstration of the Biblical injunction against pride than the COVID-deniers who, on their deathbed, can’t humble themselves and admit that no, they weren’t smarter than the doctors now desperately trying to intubate them.

    Pride kills.

    1. Sabrina Savra DeCarlo

      But so does the pride of self-righteousness, on all sides. The opinion you have about COVID-19 is not the only right one. There is a pattern of those in government, based on their world-views and agendas trying to place certain restrictions upon houses of worship, such as California, Illinois, Ireland and Canada. Look up the story of a certain Canadian-Polish pastor.

      I refer you to VCYamerica.org (look up CrossTalk) and Brannon Howse’s
      https://www.worldviewweekend.com/.

      Touting you can admit something other people can or won’t doesn’t make you any morally superior or cooler then them.

      Not all doctors are in agreement on how to deal with covid, or the vaccines.

      And I have no problem at all if you disagree with them or me.

      And I’m glad He’s smarter than the whole lot of us through the centuries.

      1. When polled in June, 96% of doctors were vaccinated. Of the 4% who weren’t, 45% of those were planning to get vaccinated.

        So the “not all doctors agree” canard is technically true, but misleading. 98% of them DO agree on being vaccinated for COVID.

        1. And I doubt that any of the other 2% have experience in working with Covid patients. I know one of these anti-vax doctors. He’s always been a strange, neurotic, conspiracy theorist. But he still earned an MD.

          1. Exactly. In any large enough population you will get some outliers, like that Texas anti-vaccine doctor who also believes in alien dna and demon babies.

            Doesn’t mean their outlier opinion should be given the same weight as the 98% of doctors who are in agreement.

        2. Sabrina Savra DeCarlo

          Without a source or a “who” named behind the poll, it’s harder to judge the accuracy of those numbers. What’s probable is that there is a majority of doctors who have a certain idea re: the virus vs a significant minority with a different idea about it.

          For an example, listen to the CrossTalk interview with Dr. Jane Orient, a “medical doctor and executive director of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, a non-partisan professional association of physicians in all types of practices and specialties across the country”

          https://www.vcyamerica.org/crosstalk/2021/07/29/covid-the-variant-and-the-jab/

          I agree the virus is real and like Sam, have gotten a sense it’s being used to force in certain agendas, but I think it’s more insidious than “a few scoundrel politicians” .

          Yes! The Lord has given us common sense, sound judgment and wisdom as well as a spirit of power, love and a sound mind.
          We can use these gifts to decide what to do or not to do in face of things.

          May He guide us all and this pastor too.

          1. “a significant minority with a different idea about it.”

            There is NOT a significant minority of doctors with a “different idea” about vaccines.

            You have cited ONE out of just over a million active physicians in the United States. And the organization she heads “opposes government involvement in medicine and views federal vaccine mandates as a violation of human rights”. So its goal is political, not medical. It is believed to have only about 5000 members (they don’t disclose this) which is 0.5% of US doctors. Again, NOT a significant minority.

            The 40% of Americans refusing vaccinations is a significant minority. 0.5% of doctors with an outlier opinion is not.

          2. There always seems to be a politically right-wing common denominator in the dissenting medical opinions. Which makes me question which narrative is more insidious. I’ve listened to conservative media for many decades and over the past 2 years have completely lost any confidence that it is at all honest. It cherry picks and distorts information to provide a visceral response to a particular world view. For example, they will convey that the FDA is not to be trusted when they reject hydroxychloroquine (because Trump endorsed it). Then they turn around and say the vaccine isn’t to be trusted because the FDA hasn’t given it’s approval yet. It’s all political optics. That doesn’t make the Democrats the good guys. But one does need to weigh whether their sources are objective and backed by good scientific method, which is why I trust peer review over agenda driven media sources.

      2. I’ve heard similar stories to what Lea is referencing. I remember a South Dakota nurse relating how a patient dying from Covid was still protesting that it was all a hoax. Unless you believe these frontline workers are lying, shouldn’t that concern you? Why would one feel it’s so important to believe a virus isn’t real? Kind of goes beyond simply having an opinion.

    2. Well said Lea. Since this pandemic has begun, my head has been spinning in confusion over those people who think the coronavirus is not that dangerous or some kind of hoax concocted by elite government officials to intrude upon their freedom and implement totalitarian control over their lives. However, I’m not naïve enough to believe that there isn’t a political element attached to this whole business that may be useful to some scoundrel politicians for their own purposes. That being said, I still cannot understand the hesitancy about getting the vaccine. The Lord has instilled in us, common sense, sound judgment, and wisdom. And I ask a simple question. Why don’t we use these gifts Lord has given us?

      1. Good points, Sam. Politicians will of course use anything to their advantage, and this is true regardless of their party.

        That’s why the people we should be listening to in this case are the doctors and the public health experts, not the politicians. And doctors overwhelmingly advise people to be vaccinated.

    3. Hi Lea, You really simplify matters with your response. Look at some of the issues involved. Forced vaccination, using a vaccine that is has taintings to abortion, forcing a church to disobey God; rule of not forsaking the assembling together, Are you going to deny a smoker of getting treatment of lung cancer and be as critical to them? As a Covid survivor i would never take the vaccine not just because I have natural vaccination because 4 of the vaccines are somehow connected to abortion. I would never stop meeting because Peter said we must obey God rather than man! When man stop telling us what to do with poor science behind it, making vaccines that Dr. Hoffe has said in his preliminary findings 62 % of post covid shot patients are showing microscopic clotting. Is the vaccine passport and church control all part of the preliminaries to receive the mark of the beast and to control the church? Freedom for religion is essential services. Don’t be fooled so easily. yes there will be covid deniars among us, so be it.

      1. John, the real enemy here is the COVID virus now ravaging the world, seeking whom it may devour, like smallpox and polio before it. It is sending hundreds of thousands of people into eternity, whether they are prepared or not.

        I believe Christians should take a stand against that virus-enemy, and refuse to act as a host for it or to infect their neighbors. The way to do that is to be vaccinated, just as Christians did to defeat smallpox and polio.

  3. Yep! Believe it’s time to stand up! Sitting down is becoming Boeing down to an anti Christian mission!

    May God’s Will be Done! And may He go before us against a christless Nation run by thugs communists and atheists !

    1. I don’t agree. His toxic masculinity complementarian views continue to be very damaging. His personal views on a range of subjects are often preached as God’s views and I think this lawsuit is no exception.

  4. I never knew christians were so whiny and selfish until the last 5 years. They do not care about others.

      1. It’s only a subset of Christians — only those who are politically conservative enough to have been fed a constant stream of conspiracy theories over the last 20 years and are now so blinded by party politics they no longer divine truth from fiction.

  5. The prudent sees danger and hides himself, but the simple go on and suffer for it. (Prov 27:12)

    Quoted from another post but very applicable to this one. The ones who are suggesting ignoring the pandemic are just foolish people ignoring what is actually written. When Satan suggested that Jesus try to do something stupid that would harm himself He did not act like this anti-wisdom preacher.

    1. Jeanine Nolen

      Exactly, I believe Jesus said something about not putting the Lord your God to the test.
      I have thought of this since the beginning of COVID when I hear Christians say God will protect them and they don’t need to wear a mask or social distance.

  6. Karen Johnson

    Per the CDC, the definition of a “vaccine” is “A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease.”

    The CDC defines “immunity” as “Protection from an infectious disease. If you are immune to a disease, you can be exposed to it without becoming infected.”

    In order to be called a “vaccine”, an inoculation must fit that definition. Therefore, the COVID-19 shots, which many people call “vaccines”, are not actually vaccines. They don’t stimulate a person’s immune system to produce immunity to COVID-19 and they don’t protect you from that disease. These shots don’t stop you from getting COVID-19. You may still become infected with COVID-19 even if you get the shots. These shots don’t stimulate the body to produce immunity from a disease. According to a lawsuit filed on 7/19/2021 against the HHS Secretary, these shots are “a synthetic fragment of nucleic acid embedded in a fat carrier that is introduced into human cells, not for the purpose of inducing immunity from infection with the SARS-CoV-2 virus, and not to block further transmission of the virus, but in order to lessen the symptoms of COVID-19. No published, peer-reviewed studies proved that the ‘Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine’ and the ‘Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine’ confer immunity or stop transmission.”

    Further, “The public are fundamentally uninformed about the gene therapy technology behind the ‘Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine’ and the ‘Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine.’ Referring to the ‘mRNA technology’ in its Vaccine, Moderna admits the ‘novel and unprecedented nature of this new class of medicines’ in its Securities and Exchange Commission filings. Further, it admits that the FDA classes its Vaccine as a form of ‘gene therapy.’ No dead or attenuated virus is used in the ‘Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine’ and the ‘Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine.’ Rather, instructions, via a piece of lab-created genetic code (the mRNA) are injected into your body that tell your body how to make a certain ‘spike protein’ that is purportedly useful in attacking the SARS-CoV-2 virus.”

    In the statute which allows for an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) which rushes a medical solution to market, there are 4 qualifiers which must be met in order for the Secretary of HHS to invoke the EUA. The HHS Secretary can invoke the EUA – ONLY IF:

    1. ONLY IF There is, in fact (not simply perceived, projected, or declared) a “serious life threatening disease or condition.” By the time the shots were available, we had sufficient data, which continues to be confirmed, that the real COVID-19 death rates were no different from the seasonal flu rates. (Of course, you have to factor out the fake claims of a COVID-19 death which many people tried to add to death certificates, such as to people who died of a heart attack, stroke, or car accidents.)
    2. ONLY IF The solutions (inoculations in most cases of invoking EUAs) are effective in TREATING or PREVENTING COVID-19. The shots produced so far neither treat nor prevent COVID-19.
    3. ONLY IF The known and potential RISKS of the EUA inoculations cannot outweigh the benefits. (So much more is written about this in the lawsuit, including data from a government whistleblower who concluded that by early July 2021, at least 45,000 people have died from a COVID-19 shot and thousands more have been harmed by the shots. In fact, in 1st quarter 2021, the increase in vaccine deaths year-over-year are 12,000% to 25,000%.)
    4. ONLY IF There is not an adequate, approved, available remedy. Meanwhile, there have been several very effective and affordable remedies available for people who contract COVID-19.

    The lawsuit is footnoted with many studies and legal precedent. It can be read at this link: https://renz-law.com/45k-whistleblower-suit

    The pharmaceutical companies don’t advertise their drugs so that you and I will buy those drugs. The pharmaceutical companies put billions of dollars every year into advertising on various media platforms so that they can control the narratives of those platforms. Unfortunately, many people believe what they hear and read in the pharma-sponsored media.

    Karen Kingston, a former Pfizer employee and current analyst for the pharmaceutical and medical device industries, came forward with indisputable documentation. She focuses on facts, not opinions. She has analyzed the patents of the shots, as this is her life’s work. She explains how she investigated the shots and how she arrived at her conclusions at this video: https://bit.ly/2V4wYFW

    On 7/14/2021, Eric Metaxas addressed issues (such as we see in the comments in this post where people who believe the shots have helped them are trying to shut down those who have studied the disease, the PCR tests [which were miscalibrated to result in thousands and thousands of false positives], and the shots which won’t help you and will actually harm many people) including the way people making these types of comments try to cancel those who disagree with them, in this World Prayer Network call/video – https://youtu.be/mhwMZBIKx3s

    One of the many thousands (yes – thousands) of medical doctors who are alarmed by the use of these shots, and a constitutional law professional, spoke on 7/28/21 on this World Prayer Network call/video with helpful information – https://youtu.be/SZf0G3kAWOs

    Do you still think very few people have been harmed by COVID-19 shots? Here is a short but painful list of people who’ve been harmed who are attempting to support one another: https://bit.ly/3C2uBUG And here are more: https://www.c19vaxreactions.com/real-testimonials.html

    And masks? COVID-19 particles are extremely small and go through every mask. A mask won’t stop you from getting COVID-19; and if you have COVID-19, a mask won’t stop you from spreading it. Meanwhile, what is in that mask you wear most of the day? Read this: https://bit.ly/3rHX1yR And that isn’t just children’s masks. That is in your mask.

    1. Karen, would you write all of this if Trump was still President? He said he took the vaccine. Did he lie?

    2. Gordon Hackman

      The claims about the COVID vaccine being a form of gene therapy are untrue. It’s not hard to find information refuting them.

    1. Wow Loren these people are actually doctors and scientists working together to put out understandable information! Yet some prefer medical advice from Eric Metaxas and ignore the fact that these vaccines ARE saving lives!

    2. Loren,

      Have you done much research on the history of Western/allopathic medicine? Ever heard of the 1910 Flexner Report scam funded by the oil tycoons to take control of hospitals, medical universities, and the pharmaceutical industry (a depository of their oil/coal byproducts) while putting out of business many established health practitioners that were very successfully treating many illnesses?

      One of many places to read about it:

      https://mises.org/wire/flexner-report-and-our-modern-medical-cartel

      The Galatians 6:7 principle of reaping what one sows is so applicable, especially well over a century later the amount of fraud and corruption in the medical industry is mind boggling.

      ““It is simply no longer possible to believe much of the clinical research that is published, or to rely on the judgment of trusted physicians or authoritative medical guidelines,” stated Dr. Marcia Angell, the former editor of The New England Journal of Medicine. “I take no pleasure in this conclusion, which I reached slowly and reluctantly over my two decades as an editor,” she wrote in a 2009 piece titled “Drug Companies & Doctors: A Story of Corruption.”

      Years later, Richard Horton, editor of The Lancet echoed this sentiment: “… Something has gone fundamentally wrong with one of our greatest human creations … The case against science is straightforward: much of the scientific literature, perhaps half, may simply be untrue. Afflicted by studies with small sample sizes, tiny effects, invalid exploratory analyses and flagrant conflicts of interest, together with an obsession for pursuing fashionable trends of dubious importance, science has taken a turn towards darkness.”

      Quote taken from:

      https://www.ecofarmingdaily.com/the-faux-faith-of-modern-science-prescription-drugs/

      It seems that the higher one is educated in the American system, the more one is apt to trust government funded “science”, and is less able to see the trickery and duplicity underlying it all. Much like the man in Proverbs (lacking understanding and knowledge) who visits the prostitute for sex and thinks she truly cares for him. Both are unknowingly on the pathway to destruction.

      Just my 2 cents. :)

      1. And yet, a century later, you can expect to live on average 20 years longer. But I’m sure the medical cartel has nothing to do with that.

  7. From my reading the anti-vaxers, anti-maskers and COVID deniers go to hospitals when they become seriously ill with COVID, thus filling up ICU beds. Thank God for our doctors, nurses, aides, cleaning staff, intake workers and all hospital workers who care for these people knowing they are putting their own lives and the lives of their families on the line for them.
    I don’t understand why they don’t stay home and consult google for their cure.
    The inconsistent behavior is baffling.

    1. Loren, I was taught the same in school/college about life expectancy increases being attributed to modern medicine. No doubt, trauma based medicine has far excelled in saving lives, but history has a way of being recorded and taught according to the perspective of those who have the most money and power, which is why the medical schools were funded early on by the corrupt oil companies.

      There is ample evidence of the vaccine industry manipulating data many years ago to make their products look very effective, but plumbing infrastructure has gone virtually unrewarded for its contribution to life expectancy.

      One article of many:

      https://www.organiclifestylemagazine.com/how-plumbing-not-vaccines-eradicated-disease

      Also, Arthur Feinstein wrote an incredible book:

      https://www.amazon.com/Invisible-Rainbow-History-Electricity-Life/dp/1645020096

      In it he cites studies that prove EMF radiation increases the chances of tumors and cancer in lab animals, but also increases life expectancy. In other words, the animal will live a longer unhealthier life, and obviously will need more medical attention/treatments.

      He also sites the beginning of world wide telegraph/radio waves corresponded to the 1918 world pandemic, as well as the technological advances of this industry to other pandemics/flu.

      Very interesting book. See some of it here:

      https://multerland.wordpress.com/2019/01/20/arthur-firstenberg-the-hidden-dangers-of-wireless-cell-phone-radiation/

      1. I’d like to believe that sanitary plumbing contributes to life expectancy. But as most sanitary plumbing products are petroleum based these days, I should not accept that view, as it clearly is promoted by corrupt oil companies.

      2. Gordon Hackman

        I would argue that it’s not life expectancy that offers strong evidence of the efficacy of vaccines, but rather the virtual elimination of life altering diseases like polio. It’s hard to argue with the effective eradication of a disease like polio.

    2. Jeanine, you make a great point here. In many ways, the medical workers in our country are demonstrating better than anyone else what it means to love your neighbor as yourself. It is also interesting to think that countless hospitals in our country were started by Christians, and throughout history, Christians were on the front lines helping the sick. Undoubtedly, this was all inspired by our Lord, who never denied the reality of sickness, but was Himself the Great Healer and Physician. I wish today that more Christians would be like Jesus and be more concerned with showing compassion for people with COVID instead of denying it, or complaining about mask mandates and vaccines.

    3. Tony Nazarowski

      Excellent point. Those suffering from Covid rely on the same people they doubted before contracting the virus.

      I think what’s happening here is this thread started out as a polite difference of opinion, but behind the scenes the friction is building. The assertion of the right to worship while NOT getting vaccinated was a bit of a nuisance. Now the resentment is growing, because those who continue to be unvaccinated allow the variants to flourish. Eventually the unvaccinated will push us all (I believe) into a more restricted lifestyle. The myopic conspiracy theories just add insult to injury.

  8. To vax or not to vax – that is the question. I think as followers of Christ we need to dial down the rhetoric of this against one another. It is a personal decision and supposedly, from CDC, if you been vaxed an unvaxed person shouldn’t be of much concern to you.

    My wife just got a call from her hairdresser who is probably mid -40s. And she was shamed and pressured to be vaxed. She was vaxed and now has inflamation all over her body from Pfizer vaccine. This was her first shot. She is on prednisone. Her doc has told her not to get the second shot. She regrets getting the shot believing that getting Covid would have been less detrimental. She has been fighting this now for over 2 weeks and can hardly function.

    My 98 year old mother was advised to get vaxed. She did. She got Covid and has been on oxygen and is in recovery. Probably the vaccine did reduce her symptoms. My brother and his wife late 50s & early 60s were advised by the doctor not to get the vaccine. Both got Covid – put them down for a couple of weeks but they are in recovery.

    From what I have read (and I certainly could be wrong), the “chances” of having significant reactions to the vaccine are small as are the “chances” of being hospitalized from the Covid. I haven’t seen a comparsion – though I would assume that numbers are out there somewhere.

    Jesus said, “by this will all men (and women) know that you are my disciples, because you have love for one another.” There are some pretty “unloving” comments on both sides that I don’t think we are showing the world our love for one another.

    1. Hey Don, I appreciate the tone of your comment. I do want to respond to the following comment, as I don’t think a lot of people are thinking through it fully:

      ” It is a personal decision and supposedly, from CDC, if you been vaxed an unvaxed person shouldn’t be of much concern to you.”

      My wife is a nurse in a hospital in Southern California. Last winter the entire region’s ICU beds were completely full of Covid patients with staff working to their breaking point. It is not uncommon for healthcare workers who have had to endure these surges to develop forms of PTSD. Many say they cannot endure another season like what they went through. So these folks are very much affected when a large percentage of the population chooses not to vax.
      Those who may need an ICU bed for other reasons are affected when the virus is not contained in the larger population and a hospitals resources are drained by Covid patients.

      Also, an adverse reaction to the vaccine is not contagious. Being vaccinated reduces the risk of spreading Covid to others if you do become infected. Part of one’s decision making should involve “looking not to your own interests, but also the interests of others.” So hopefully Christians can consider how their decision potentially affects the people around them as well as how it affects them personally.

      1. Loren, I read your comment and I’ve been thinking about it. At this point, I think I’m staying with my response that each individual needs to consider his/her own decision and how it affects those around them as per the illustrations I gave. I’m grateful for the medical people who have been trained.

        1. There are people who are at greater risk and do need to consider that as illustrated by 98 year old mother. We assume that it reduced her reactions to it. She was not hospitalized. Though had she been hospitalized she would have been a witness for our Lord of faith and trust in Him to those who are burdened in their service.

        2. My brother and his wife were advised by their doctor/physician not to get vaxed. That is from a medical perspective of an individual who works in the hospital. He didn’t say to get vaxed so Covid doesn’t mutate more or because you are going to burden hospital workers. They got it and didn’t burden anyone which is what happens to the vast majority of individuals who get Covid and are not in high risk category.

        As far as “loving your neighbor” as it pertains to being vaxed. If one prayerfully seeks the Lord and feels that it is his/her responsibility to be vaxed to love their neighbor, then do it. If one prayerfully seeks the Lord and doesn’t feel that they are being unloving toward their neighbor by not being vaxed, then they are free to do that. “Each should be fully convinced in their own mind” (Rom. 14:5)

        There was nothing “unloving” for my brother and his wife to not get vaxed. They are some of the most loving and caring followers of Jesus that I know.

        Well – I don’t want to be sucked down this rabbit hole any deeper. God’s best to you and your wife. May we serve our Lord well.

    2. “if you been vaxed an unvaxed person shouldn’t be of much concern to you.”
      What a careless statement, with no heed at all for loving your neighbor!

      The more hosts a virus infects, the more chances it has to mutate.
      The more chances it has to mutate, the more likely it is that one of the mutations will be able to evade the vaccine.

      Choosing not to be vaccinated is choosing to endanger your neighbor, not to lovingly protect them.

      1. Lea your comment “What a careless statement, with no heed at all for loving your neighbor!” just proved my point of “unloving” comments which are being thrown around and is frankly a paradox when you claim to want to “love your neighbor” and then write in an unloving way because someone doesn’t agree with your position.

        You have no idea about my interaction with neighbors and my conscience is clear before the Lord as I seek to walk with Him each day.

        May God grant you His special grace this day!

      2. Don, It is a distraction to focus on whose *comments* are less loving when known medical facts about how viruses work should inform our *actions*.

        The unvaccinated serve as passive hosts for the virus to go on to infect others, often in more virulent forms like the delta variant currently killing our neighbors. The virus certainly “loves” the unvaccinated, who give it a comfortable home.

        Those who are vaccinated have taken a stand to resist the virus, which is the real enemy here. I believe that to be an *action* of loving our neighbors.

    1. “ Many of the developers of vaccines”

      Please list the “many” as proof of your claim, Kenly. 98% of doctors support vaccination.

      1. Good call, Leah. Maybe caboodle would be more appropriate. :)

        98%, eh? Smells like pure propaganda to me, especially since I read daily much more than the caboodle, and I’ve seen a caboodle of pro-injection docs change their minds after seeing the collateral damage start to pile up.

        700 docs polled recently with the majority declining the injection:

        https://aapsonline.org/majority-of-physicians-decline-covid-shots-according-to-survey/

        https://aaps.wufoo.com/reports/z1e8wyr31awx6wf/

        I’m content to remain part of the experimental control group since no one in the world has isolated said virus. Many health care workers have an ultimatum of Oct 1,2021 to get the injection or lose their job.

        1. Yes the AAPS. No propaganda there. And no surprise they were able to produce their own “facts”. Do you have any sources that aren’t driven by right-wing ideology?

        2. As mentioned already above, the AAPS is an organization “opposes government involvement in medicine and views federal vaccine mandates as a violation of human rights”. So its goal is political, not medical, and it is no surprise that polling their own members would yield the above results.

          But the AAPS is believed to have only about 5000 members (they don’t disclose this) which is 0.5% of US doctors. They are not representative of doctors as a whole.

          On the other hand, polling by the American Medical Association (which at 250,000 members is far more representative of US doctors) indicates that 98% support vaccination.

  9. He just makes things up.

    “How do you know you’re not going to spread this to someone else and they’re going to die from it?”
    “That’s true of the so-called vaccine,” Graves replied, despite the fact that the vaccine is not a highly contagious virus that can be easily spread at mass gatherings.”

    https://youtu.be/cUldf60fVCs

  10. Ok Leah, for the sake of discussion let’s assume your AMA 98% figure is accurate.

    Hypothetically speaking – what if five years from now it’s determined beyond a shadow of doubt that the covid-19 injection (with a blank insert) actually contained graphene oxide, traces of highly toxic chemicals, and self assembling nano particles that ultimately lead to the death, or major destruction of health in the ones that took it, while the ones in the control group were healthy and unharmed.

    Should the 98% of doctors who recommended and gave the injection, if still alive, be executed in a Nuremberg 2.0 trial?

    What should be done to the many church leaders, pastors, bloggers who relentlessly pushed the injection narrative that to love your neighbor and God would be to take the experimental injection?

  11. I just wish those who chose not to get vaccinated- for whatever reason – at least took other measures like wearing masks and socially distancing.
    I’m more frustrated at the “all or nothing” position.

    1. Gordon Hackman

      Marin Heiskell, I agree. I’ve been frustrated with the all or nothing approach from both sides for some time now.

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