Ravi Zacharias

More Christian Groups Cut Ties with Ravi Zacharias & RZIM

By Jackson Elliott

HarperCollins publishing, the Christian & Missionary Alliance, and Ravi Zacharias International Ministries Africa have distanced themselves from Ravi Zacharias, following the release of a report confirming sex abuse allegations against him.

Harper Collins

HarperCollins once published over 20 books either authored, co-authored, or edited by Zacharias. By the time of his death, his books had sold over 2 million copies. As late as May 19, 2020, HarperCollins leaders publicly praised Zacharias. Now, no books appear when Zacharias’s name is searched on their site.

“I had the unique privilege of working with Ravi Zacharias for more than 25 years,” said senior acquisitions editor Joey Paul in May. “Over the years we developed a close friendship that enabled me to witness his brilliance as a world-renowned Christian apologist, and to know him as man that loved his family deeply. He was well-respected in his field.”

HarperCollins leaders changed their story after the release of a February 11 report of an investigation by Ravi Zacharias International Ministries (RZIM). The report found Zacharias had used his position as a leader to sexually abuse multiple women. One woman claimed Zacharias raped her.

The report also confirmed the accusations of Lori Anne Thompson, who publicly accused Zacharias in 2017 of sexually abusing her.

“In September, when the most-recent sexual misconduct allegations against the late Ravi Zacharias surfaced, HarperCollins Christian Publishing immediately suspended all projects and shipments of his work,” said Casey Francis Harrell, corporate communications vice president.

“Following the findings in the independent report, the company will immediately take all his publications out of print. We are deeply saddened, and we mourn for the victims.”

Christian & Missionary Alliance

The Christian & Missionary Alliance (C&MA), which ordained Zacharias, revoked his ordination on Feb. 12.

Zacharias had spent 46 years working as a C&MA minister and is believed to be the first person in the C&MA’s 134-year history to be posthumously expelled from ministry.

“It is with great sorrow that The Christian and Missionary Alliance . . . acknowledges that one of its licensed workers, Ravi Zacharias, now deceased, engaged in a pattern of sinful behavior that has caused enormous pain to many and undermined the witness of Christ’s Church,” its statement reads.

“Recent independent investigations commissioned by both the C&MA and Ravi Zacharias International Ministries confirmed the accusations made by massage therapists that he engaged in sexual misconduct. He then constructed elaborately deceptive schemes to conceal his activity,” it continues.

The C&MA in 2018 conducted what it labeled a “thorough inquiry” on Zacharias, but did not find enough evidence to begin a formal investigation. For years, RZIM touted C&MA’s inquiry as an “investigation” that cleared Zacharias of wrongdoing.

“In recognition of this gross violation and its painful consequences to the victims and others who were impacted, the C&MA posthumously expels Mr. Zacharias from licensed ministry in our denomination. This comes with the automatic revocation of his ordination,” the CMA stated.

RZIM Africa

RZIM Africa took down its entire website and replaced it with a statement of apology for Zacharias’s actions and RZIM’s handling of the case.

“While Ravi Zacharias is responsible for his own sin, we must also acknowledge and repent of our own wrongdoing,” the statement read. “By believing Ravi Zacharias and forwarding the statement by the International Board of Directors alongside Ravi’s statement following the testimony of Lori Anne Thompson in 2017, we participated in slandering her and her husband Brad Thompson. For this wrong and for compounding their pain, we are truly sorry and are filled with grief,” the statement reads.

The RZIM Africa statement also calls for a thorough and independent investigation of RZIM’s “structure, culture, policies, processes, finances, and practices” to reveal how RZIM handled abuse allegations against Zacharias.

“Merciful and Just God, we come to you in this time of need. Teach us to sit with the pain of the many women who have been broken and wounded by the devastating actions of Ravi Zacharias. Out of the depths we cry to you, O Lord. Have mercy,” a prayer in the statement reads.

Jackson ElliottJackson Elliott is a Christian journalist trained at Northwestern University. He has worked at The Daily Signal, The Inlander, and The Christian Post, covering topics ranging from D.C. politics to prison ministry. His interests include the Bible, philosophy, theology, Russian literature, and Irish music.

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47 thoughts on “More Christian Groups Cut Ties with Ravi Zacharias & RZIM”

  1. I wonder had Ravi repented while he was alive book companies would not be distancing themselves from him.

    Also, I read the 12 page report and it seemed a few people did try to confront him but they were marginalized. This is his “reward” now knowing how the millions are affected. I wonder if his reward is existing from the hellfires.

    I listened to him for years on the radio and thought he was a humble man. I even felt like I was a weak christian because I wasn’t like him in being so patient with non believers with so many questions. If I had to compare myself now to him I would say I was stronger then him in trying to live the christian life with God’s help on a daily basis.

    Maybe this is a wake up call to christian ministries.

    A good youtube video I found about this mess is David Wood. He tells it to you straight on being a christian. To follow Jesus Christ and not a mere man and their brand of ministry.

  2. The dominos keep falling. At least RZIM stopped accepting donations and books are being pulled out of the marketplace – two steps down but so much more to do. Will RZIM HQ be the last to fall as it appears they keep trying to hang on? Hey RZIM Board, come out from behind your veil of secrecy, reveal your names, repent and resign immediately for your failures to hold Ravi accountable in the face of so much evidence for many years, make public apologies to all victims and encourage other likely victims to come forward, conduct more investigations into possible sex crimes/misuse of donated funds/additional victims, close down RZIM – don’t try to rebrand, help the staff find other employment, set up a fund for victims, make full restitution to victims which includes /counseling/support systems/money. You’re only causing more pain and prolonging the inevitable.

    The CMA investigation was not thorough as if it was, they would’ve found much more and they would’ve disqualified him then. Lori Anne and the other victims deserved so much more. Organizations seem to have a poor understanding of the nature of a quality investigation in such cases and could learn a lot from GRACE. Don’t hire law firms who have a fiduciary responsibility to the group that hired them, don’t hide people and artifacts from the investigators, don’t limit the investigation. It’s such a huge red flag when the perpetrator under investigation refuses to give access to devices. That alone is enough to disqualify and fire. How did all these people miss this stuff!?

    1. It seems a lot of people miss a lot of stuff. All these stories of troubled ministries are such a study in human nature.

  3. It would have been nice if everyone had disowned him as soon as there was some inkling this guy was a beast. By the way the CMA has its own rot to be cleared of.

  4. Maybe we should get rid of the Bible(NOT) because a wife stealer, murderer and a murderer in the New testament wrote letters also. What is the difference. They were all humans set free by the grace of God.

    1. Mervin, show me some anointed, inspired authors of Scripture that led whole lives of systematic deceit, predation, and perversion and then we’ll talk.

    2. Perhaps a reading from the book of Jude would provide insight.

      The Sin and Doom of Ungodly People
      3 Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt compelled to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to God’s holy people. 4 For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about[b] long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

      5 Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord[c] at one time delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe. 6 And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day. 7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

      8 In the very same way, on the strength of their dreams these ungodly people pollute their own bodies, reject authority and heap abuse on celestial beings. 9 But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not himself dare to condemn him for slander but said, “The Lord rebuke you!”[d] 10 Yet these people slander whatever they do not understand, and the very things they do understand by instinct—as irrational animals do—will destroy them.

      11 Woe to them! They have taken the way of Cain; they have rushed for profit into Balaam’s error; they have been destroyed in Korah’s rebellion.

      12 These people are blemishes at your love feasts, eating with you without the slightest qualm—shepherds who feed only themselves. They are clouds without rain, blown along by the wind; autumn trees, without fruit and uprooted—twice dead. 13 They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their shame; wandering stars, for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever.

      14 Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about them: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones 15 to judge everyone, and to convict all of them of all the ungodly acts they have committed in their ungodliness, and of all the defiant words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.”[e] 16 These people are grumblers and faultfinders; they follow their own evil desires; they boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage.

      A Call to Persevere
      17 But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. 18 They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” 19 These are the people who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.

      20 But you, dear friends, by building yourselves up in your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit, 21 keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.

      22 Be merciful to those who doubt; 23 save others by snatching them from the fire; to others show mercy, mixed with fear—hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh.[f]

      Doxology
      24 To him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy— 25 to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.

    3. Marvin; your statement and the logic it produces is flawed from start to finish. In the letter to the Romans, Paul says how can we who are dead to sin still live in it? And shall we continue to sin that grace may abound? Certainly we are all humans set free by the grace of God and no one except the Lord himself, is RZ’s judge. However can a man continue in such horrific sin over such an extended period of time and his salvation not come into question? I’m not throwing stones, I also am not without fault, but the stain this has left the Lord’s church and the club it puts into the hands of those who are not in Christ, to beat us over the head, and they will beat us over the head cannot be underestimated.

      1. Sams,

        His logic is what happens when you worship a man instead of Jesus the Christ. It’s pretty ridiculous but when you have a heart of idolatry there is no depth of rationalization you won’t stoop to. Or, it’s a lot more cynical than that and Mervin had some kind of financial stake in Ravi’s snake oil and is upset that his gravy train is over.

    4. Mervin, I think you know there’s an obvious distinction between Paul and Ravi – Paul sinned before he became a Christian, then repented, and spent the rest of his life suffering for Christ. Ravi did NOT repent, and spent his Christian life sinning for his own pleasure.

      And one thing the apostle Paul would never, EVER do is diminish the seriousness of sin in Christ’s church, especially in the leadership. He spoke out against it almost constantly. Nor would he use the “grace of God” as an excuse for sexual sin.

    5. Mervin, so do you also run to the defense of catholic priests that commit sexual abuse? I find it fascinating that we Protestants cover the horrible sins of our leaders with grace, “we are all sinners” speak, and King David comparisons but don’t have the same approach outside our “clan”…hypocrisy

      1. I’m not thinking we will get any more replies from Mervin who is almost certainly not a real person anyway–most likely, he was a sock puppet for Sarah Zacharias or Judy Dabler or who knows what other hired serpent of choice is waging e-warfare on RZI”M”‘s behalf at the moment.

        1. Brian, a agree with your sentiment. I found the same thing in the early days of the whole GFA controversy. KP has many people on his payroll with most in India, but not everyone. KP also hired an Internet Reputation Management firm. I suspect a lot of the oddball comments minimizing evil actually came from that Management companies employees. As if lying to donors was somehow acceptable Christian behavior.

  5. Ravi was highly respected by Christians , other faiths, and the secular world at large. He received many Honorary Academic Degrees.
    Now that he has been exposed as a Sexual abuser and proven to have damaged many female lives and lied about his academic background, will he have his Honorary Degrees revoked?

    Allan Jenkins ( United Kingdom )

      1. His works (books) are still good, his personal life was not. Harper Collins is foolish to erase him from their search engine (Soviet style). As if he didn’t exist, how childish, how Leftist of them.

        1. It’s not about “erasing him from their search engine,” it’s about erasing him from their catalog. They’re a publisher; a business. They sell books. They don’t want to sell books written by a hypocrite and alleged rapist. It’s as simple as that.

          1. Harper Collins would also pull books written by Jeffrey Epstein and Bill Cosby who will never work in show business again. It seems private business and industry has higher moral standards than Christians. That’s also evident by the slow response or head-in-sand mentality displayed by some churches and paracgurch organizations.

  6. And the hits keep coming and the dominoes continue to fall. At this rate RZIM will cease to exist by the end of March. Its utter demise can’t come quickly enough.

    1. John MacArthur? Your going to compare John MacArthur to Ravi and James MacDonald? What do you know about John MacArthur? Dig a little deeper than the Roys Report. Dig a little deeper than the deceptive video put out by Joshua Chavez. You might learn something important. The man has been the pastor of one church for over 50 years, unheard of, and without a hint of a scandal. Look at where he spends his money. Or do you just hate John MacArthur because he is an uncompromising strong Christian man? Or because he preaches the Word straight with no chaser? Or because he stood up to the communists in CA? Seriously, other than the claims that he makes too much money, what are his crimes? Because I missed the part about him using his power to hurt women and to abuse his staff.

      Compare Johnny Mac with RZ and James McD? Wow. The ignorance, total lack of self awareness, blood thirst, and overall shallowness of the crowd I have stumbled upon on this website is staggering.

      I’m all for critics, heck, I’m one. I’m all for critical thinking and actual debate but the cynics here just wear me out. After a day dealing with hard core cynics I’m a little less hopeful for the present day culture and our children’s future.

      God help me to remove the plank from my eye. Then maybe I can help remove the speck out someone else’s eye. I know I’m the worst. But I’m not giving up.

      John MacArthur is far from perfect and I don’t agree with everything he says. I could tell you specifics. I don’t listen to him regularly. But trying to cancel him? I think that is completely ignorant and is no different than how the World acts. They are supposed to be able to tell we are Christians by the love we have for one another. The World is watching us and laughing out loud. How embarrassing.

      God Bless John MacArthur

      1. Chris Cook (which I assume is a sock puppet name for Phil Johnson or one of JMA’s lawyers or hired spin gurus or Dabler),

        You do realize that all of what you write was also true of Koresh, L. Ron Hubbard, Joseph Smith, Mary Baker Eddy, Charles Taze Russell, Sister Ellen White, et cetera, don’t you? They all “faithfully pastored” their “churches” for decades too, and thought they were preaching the “word”. You can’t in good faith expect us all to believe that you’re unaware of Jane–who was expelled from The Master’s Clown College (with all of her credits revoked) when she dared to report being roofied and raped by one of JMA’s favored students. I certainly don’t believe you don’t know about her.

        The difference between all of those leaders I named and Johnny boy is that the latter has done vastly more damage because he’s mainstream within evangelicalism. All of the others’ deception has been limited to relatively small niches (and in the case of some, extremely small).

        You have to work a little harder at your whitewashing tripe next time you crap-post on Julie’s site. John’s reckoning is upon us and nothing is going to stop it at this point. The avalanche ball has picked up too much snow and speed.

        1. I guess when you don’t have an argument you accuse, name call, and act like a child. That’s one strategy. I was really hoping for some substance so we could actually communicate but I didn’t expect it, based on the majority of commenters I have read on this site anyway.

          My name is Chris Cook. In fact, its been my name my whole life, as far as I know. Feel free to post your email and we can chat personally, via email or phone. I’m a real person with nothing to hide. I’m not big on wasting time with cynics however. So if you really want to talk, please say something intelligent and relevant to what I posted.

          Do you really think Phil Johnson or any lawyer or associate of John MacArthur would be so stupid, immature, and unspiritual as to waste time posting on such message boards, with fake names, and to engage with such as you? I don’t think so. And I don’t think you really believe that either.

          That sure was a Who’s Who of Cult Leaders that you mentioned above. You seem to know the names of some of the biggest. L. Ron Hubbard? Yeah, I often think of Scientology when I hear MacArthur preach from the scriptures. Do you know the difference between orthodoxy and heresy? Do you know the difference between a woman cult leader and a Christian pastor? Do you know the difference between truth and error. It really is hard for me to respond to such drivel and I probably shouldn’t be doing it. I have a hard time believing you are sincere and have good motives. Comparing John MacArthur to known cult leaders is laughable, and sad. When you say that he has “done vastly more damage” than those you listed above, you lose any credibility you may have had.

          Are you a Christian? I’m seriously curious. I’ll take your word for it but I’m not sure who I’m really dealing based on your accusatory, slanderous, and sophomoric tone.

          I have no idea who “Jane” is. Feel free to enlighten me. I don’t know anything about MacArthur’s church, radio or tv ministries, college, or books. I’ve never even heard of Phil Johnson until a few days ago. I don’t have a dog in this fight. I have only heard MacArthur’s teaching over the years on the radio and YouTube, and back in 1984 my church showed a series by him that I think was about the family. I hold different theological positions than MacArthur. I could write a list. I think he’s wrong about some things. But I can’t question his integrity. You’ll have to bring something more to the table than this.

          And as for making assumptions and accusations, are you friends with Julie? Do you know her house is about 100sf smaller than MacArthur’s? Do you know she ignored information provided to her regarding MacArthur so it would not interfere with her narrative? Julie Roys is a big girl and she can take care of herself and she can handle criticism. She lets me comment on her site. She is certainly not as sensitive and insecure as some others that feast on her material.

          And “John’s reckoning”? I think you should be worried about your reckoning as I will worry about mine.

          I’m done here. I hope I’ve learned my lesson. What do they say about arguing with idiots? (Here I go name calling but I’m trying to be accurate.) They drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. You all win. I need to go somewhere where people want honest communication and show basic respect for one another, and for truth.

          I think you and this website may be doing free work for the enemy. At least I hope The Accuser of The Brethren is your enemy. It’s hard for me to tell at this point.

          Philippians 4:4-9. I think I’ll mediate on these verses a bit. I know I have a lot of work to do on myself.

          I’m out. You won’t hear from me again. Well, actually you might if I feel the overwhelming need to “crap-post my whitewashing tripe on Julie’s site” again.

          Take care Brian Patrick. Wait, is that your real name? Cheers!

        2. I wrote a detailed response to your drivel but apparently it was censored and not posted! Freedom of speech takes another hit. Rather cowardly if you ask me. Maybe we’ll talk another time.

          I guess you are allowed to slander and name call on this site, but you better agree with the overall sentiment here or you will be censored.

          Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

          I hoped this website had integrity, welcomed differences of opinion and could take criticism as well as it dishes it out. I was obviously wrong.

          And what exactly did I write that wasn’t accurate? Is this Facebook or Twitter? I am ashamed and embarrassed for you.

          1. Whomever you are. You are condescending and an apologist for Mr. Mac, and not in the positive sense. I guess you do not understand the in in depth investigations that have been going on for the last few years. I wonder why the Masters College is on probation? Why would he lie about his involvement when MLK was assassinated? It has been debunked by eyewitness’ testimony. The fact that he was involved in ministry and worked with a leader in the movement is awesome enough. He was able to see first hand the legacy of Jim Crow and talked with black youth.

            He might be a pretty nice guy and definitely gifted, but of late he has stirred up a lot of animosity and anger. A man can do many great things in ministry but that same man can do a lot of damage as well.

          2. Chris Cook,

            Okay, fine, I’ll take you at face value that you are who you say you are. That doesn’t mean you’re Godly in any way, shape, or form. Your conduct certainly isn’t. I treat people according to their behavior and demonstrated fruits, not on whatever lofty titles they bestow upon themselves or professions of faith they make. In other words, respect is earned, buddy. You have not adhered to minimally Christlike standards of behavior, nor have you demonstrated an ounce of honesty (unlike the revelations on Zacharias, the assertions of “Jane” the rape victim at Master’s College have been extremely well-publicized for years).

            I see you as a classic, textbook case of projection. Everything you accuse us of (“accusations”, “cynicism”, not having a genuine faith, and more) is what you, yourself, are engaging in. I can honestly state before God and man that I have not once gone to a MacArthur, Zacharias, or MacDonald blog or group in order to troll and stir trouble and I would (all but) stake my life on none within Julie’s readership doing the same. Unfortunately, sycophants for the above tares such as yourself have not been willing to return the favor to us. So, don’t act surprised when the response you receive when you come here to troll falls short of bootlicking like you were hoping for.

            Your attempts to pervert Scripture in defense of your white-haired god(s) is laughable: “Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!” For some reason, I can readily see the prophetic fathers of the OT speaking those exact words, on pain of their lives, of calumny upon today’s “megachurch” abominations, regardless of the price to them. In fact, I’d call your boys Zacharias and MacArthur the direct descendants of the hypocritical, corrupt, and cowardly religious scribes, lawyers, and priests that God in the Flesh spent the majority of his earthly ministry crusading against. What’s the matter, does the truth hurt, fanboy?

            Reformation saints such as Wycliffe and Hus GAVE THEIR LIVES, quite torturously, so that we wouldn’t have to live in slavery to cultist church tyrants such as the men you worship. Your boy Johnson doxed Julie (no doubt on his boss’ orders) to try to send her a message and yet she keeps going. Would you have that kind of tenacity if Christ demanded it of you? I can only speculate but I’m going to go with, “no”.

            The majority of professing atheists lead more “holy” lives than the likes of MacArthur. I would even be willing to bet that the majority of SATANISTS lead better lives than Zacharias. Many of those cult leaders I mentioned in my original response to you (Joseph Smith, Koresh, and Jones likely exceptions) were more pleasant and socially acceptable humans in everyday life than the unholy false “trinity” of RZ/JMA/JM that you serve. If you call yourself a Christian, and are willing to get behind such execrably poor specimens of humanity, I would say you have a lot of soul-searching to do. I know you won’t, because you are as dead to your idolatry* as Zacharias was to his perversion. You can keep trolling here or not, it’s up to Julie to ban you and not I, but when you come here flinging crap because your feelings are hurt that we refuse to bow down and acknowledge the deity of your idols, you’re delusional if you don’t think you’ll receive a response in kind.

            *That is, if you are sincerely just some random dude who is in love with MacArthur and not a lawyer, online reputation-abatement agent, PR rep, family member or sock puppet of one of the above.

          3. Well, give me enough time and rope and I will certainly hang myself. None of my comments were censored. I am the one that should be embarrassed and ashamed, and I certainly am.

            While I stand by my comments (except for the one saying I was censored!) my attitude has gone down the tubes today and is clearly not a Christian example in any way.

            I have said a few times on this site that “We all need to take a good look in the mirror.” Scratch that. I’m the one that needs to take a good, long look in the mirror.

            But please read my comments carefully. I’m not a shill for John MacArthur. I’m not even an evangelical. I’m trying to point out the hypocrisy and self righteousness of the mob. But it’s hard to do that when you’re acting as badly and as childishly as I am.

            I do apologize to Julie Roys and to her staff. No one censored me. I really blew it. Can you hear those footsteps? That’s me walking away in shame. But I will get over it soon and get back in the saddle. I don’t have a choice. But I won’t be commenting again until I can exert a little more self control, patience, and tolerance.

            Talk about drivel, my previous post is Exhibit A.

            Take care all.

          4. CRYING FROM THE MOUNTAIN

            Well in the words of Batman and Robin ……. pow pow pow pow pow pow pow and pow !
            All right you guys back to your corners and when you come back out , come back out hugging!!!
            “Peter” Chris , after you get that foot back where it belongs meet “James” Brian Patrick , JB meet PC , ok good lets get back to the cave Adullam and have some grub and plan the next raid on the forces of darkness because WE HAVE THE VICTORY

  7. Steve Baughman (Author of Cover-Up in the Kingdom): “Take HarperCollins Christian Publishing. Their assistant general counsel assured me that he would look at the large pile of evidence I provided him showing that their own company’s Ravi Zacharias books contained wilfully false claims. A couple weeks later he told me that they had no comment. Then in April of this year, HCC announced a new book deal with Mr. Zacharias”.
    September 16, 2018
    Evangelical Industrial Complex strikes again!

    https://randalrauser.com/2018/09/ravi-zacharias-apologist-or-fabulist-an-interview-with-steve-baughman/

  8. If we didn’t raise our evangelical celebrities to almost god-like status we wouldn’t be so shocked when we find out they have feet of clay. When people find out their heroes aren’t perfect, but the general perception is that hey are perfect, they circle wagons and try to protect them, only making the situation worse. At one point, Ravi might have been salvageable with some dedicated, significant time off and counseling. With a quiet, humble comeback he might have been an even better apologist than he was originally. But when you are so powerful that people ignore the issues, and then enable you by letting you have 4 cell phones, not use the company grid for communication, and brush off the rumors, you get a disaster. This will continue to happen until ministries get serious about transparency and accountability, no matter how big the name brand is.

      1. Brian, thank you for voicing what I have been thinking as well. I think some are starting to throw this out for thought. One blogger has suggested RZ had mental issues that were undetected for years. I don’t know how we can test that suggestion. Most people view these things as a good believer going off the rails but I have a hard time seeing it that way. I know believers can sin but surely they would be miserable in their sin due to the conviction of the Holy Spirit? Everyone points to David but I keep saying to my spouse that God’s Word never tells us to emulate David’s life that I can recall. We learn lessons from it but we aren’t told to be like David in our walk. Paul said we were to emulate him I believe. The Bereans were commended for their not taking everything Paul said as truth but they search the scriptures to see if his teaching lined up with the Word they had at that time. Correct me if I am wrong. I really think we need to see if these teachers are in the faith before we prescribe a remedy or provide a safety net.

        I am concerned about what I see in church leadership. We had two megachurch pastors within driving distance of my house that were let go due to being sexual predators. The problem in the non-Catholic churches is the split in the denominations. I am in a Baptist church so do hear about the problems in my denomination but am unaware of problems in other denominations and visa versa. The behaviors seem to affect a smaller number than in the Catholic church but if we combined all the denominations I think we would be surprised to see we have large problem on our hands.

        1. CRYING FROM THE MOUNTAIN

          Hi Kay, If I may interject Psalm 58: 3 here in regards to “going off the rail”

          ” The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies”

          Somebody(s) or something(s) calling himself, herself or itself “Christian” has duped us , double duped and has or tried to deceive us ( with deception) over many years when in reality Psalm 58:3 applies in a very Spiritual way.

        2. Preach it Kay! The Apostle Paul spent a lot of time pointing out various “false brethren” and calling out those who assumed a teaching position while leading others astray. To assume that everyone who calls themselves a Christian actually automatically is would be to throw these warnings of Paul right out the window.

          India is world famous for its Gurus and Godmen. So if Hindus can send people over here in order to make a lot of money and con many new followers into having sex with the Godman then why cannot a man who grew up in a “Christian” household do the same? And if what you believe is exactly that which you practice when no one is looking, and that is the true faith, then what about the hypocrites who tell you to be chaste but then go chasing every woman’s skirt that he can? When you look at Jesus He actually gave very little hope that ANY of the religious leaders, the Pharisees and Scribes, would actually see the Kingdom of Heaven. If we adopt that attitude what does that mean for our Teachers and Theologians today?

    1. Lynn, I have heard comments like yours quite frequently. My thoughts are, if none of us bought Ravi’s books or went to his lectures would that make Ravi honest, stop being a sexual predatory or fraud? The man is who the man is regardless of an audience. I don’t think the public is to blame for RZ behaviors.

      I also don’t think many are shocked that our leaders are human.Most mature believers get that and are comfortable with warts on our leaders. It actually makes them approachable and relatable. I do feel betrayed when Christian leaders pretend for decades to believe what they preach and are the complete opposite. It is akin to finding out your spouse is not faithful for 40 years of marriage There is anger, shock and grief over being lied to for so long. .

      At the very least I expect my Pastor and Christian leaders to be generally honest, faithful, free from using women sexually and playing by the same rules that we do. I really don’t think that is too much to ask for. Just basic stuff but RZ can’t even deliver on the basics.He and his organization have played by their own rules. I don’t know why he can’t but I would assume his organization would do their duty or at least find out how to perform their duty to hold their leader accountable.That isn’t our job! It amazes me that we in the church think it is abnormal to expect just basic decent behavior from our leaders. Why is that such a burden to fulfill and why I am I to blame somehow when they can’t even act like a decent human being? I think RZIM raised RZ to godlike status not the rest of us. RZ and RZIM are the first ones to blame for this mess not the public. We all are victims in this spider web.

      We can learn lessons from it and avoid situations like this in the future. I am hoping we move into solutions on how we the public can protect ourselves because I don’t think ministries or churches are going to reign themselves in for our benefit.

      1. CRYING FROM THE MOUNTAIN

        Kay I understand your comments But I do have to say that I for one am not a victim…….. why you might ask?
        Because about 3 years ago I decided that 2Cor 6:14 -18 was a really really good idea……

        “Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. WHEREFORE COME OUT FROM AMONG THEM , AND BE YE SEPARATE , saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

        You see in the 1st 30 years of my walk I was taught by well meaning Christians that this scripture had to do with coming out of the “world” which can be partly true. But it is DECEPTION to think that it does not apply to the “Christian” things such as rzim , hillsong and actually EVERYTHING else in the evangelical industrial complex.
        I have proven in my own life that “getting out” gives you a clarity never before experienced and one is able to see clearer and clearer about what is pure and what is unclean.
        It is a true saying that every facet of society has been infiltrated. This not only means every level of government but also Christian churches, ministries, denominations etc. ( you can tell by the fruit just like Jesus said)
        Whether they are freemasons, illuminasti ( see the nasty part) or the FAKE ONES in Rev 2:9 & 3:9 it doesn’t really matter who in particular , but it does matter that one knows it is happening for a fact in organizations like rzim , ecfa , hillsong etc etc so that they can do the most damage to the most amount of souls they can. We are created in God’s image and they hate us with a hatred most of us can not comprehend.
        We actually were not created to think as evil as the evil is therefore most do not accept these kind of words
        “Those that have ears to hear let them hear what the Spirit saith”

        IF ONE IS NOT WORKING ON BECOMING SEPARATE THEY ARE OR WILL BECOME PART OF THE PROBLEM IN ANY NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS from simple stupid comments on here to the ravi crap and far beyond…….

  9. I guess ECFA is still endorsing RZ? Will ECFA be held acountable for endorsing RZIM when they broke every rule for governance ECFA puts on their website? Rules for thee but not for me! Will anyone take a peek into the Asian women that Ravi brought to the USA to work in his spa? Did RZ abuse them as well and would that amount to sex trafficking? Will anyone investigate if any board or staff member indulged in the same predatory behavior as RZ? Was this a team effort or not? If Harper Collins used all of RZ fraudulent credentials on RZ books aren’t they guilty of consumer fraud?

    I am sure RZIM is happy to throw RZ under the bus now because it takes all the focus off of them and their failures/cover ups. At some point I expect they will be painted as a victim as well so they can escape consequences or we are all racists for picking on RZ. They have hired a lot of PR firms, Crisis managment lawyers and management teams to overcome this stain. I really wish they relied on the Holy Spirit instead.

    I feel for all the victims. I feel for all those that will lose a job through no fault of their own. What a big mess but grateful that God can clean up messes.

    1. Oh Lord, please reveal Your sons and daughters at RZIM. Help us Lord. Help us to be your instrument. We seek only to do your will. Lord, show us what you wish others to see, so that we can honor You by doing Your will. You are the light. Bring us into Your light so we may clearly see Your purpose for us. We are thanking You, Lord. In Your Son’s holy name we pray. Amen.

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