Grieving Pastor Faces Excommunication from Chicago Church He Founded 70 Years Ago

By Julie Roys and Steve Rabey
Vernon Lyons
Vernon Lyons, former pastor of Ashburn Baptist Church in Chicago and Orland Park, IL.

On Jan. 7, 1951, Rev. Vernon Lyons led the first service at Ashburn Baptist Church, an independent, fundamentalist congregation on Chicago’s southwest side that would birth a sister congregation in Orland Park in 1988.

In the 1980s, Ashburn’s Easter services attracted more than 1,500 souls. By the 1990s, members of the two churches were tithing more than $1 million a year, with as much as 10% going to support foreign missionaries. Ashburn also helped launch 36 additional churches.

By 2018, more than 400 people were still attending the sister churches, but the church had plateaued, with no new growth. That’s when Lyons, then 90, and his congregation invited a younger pastor, Tommy Thompson, to succeed him.

“I was getting old, and losing my vigor,” Lyons concluded at the time.

Pastoral transitions can be difficult. But the process at Ashburn has devolved into a war of conflicting claims that’s decimating the church. And tonight, Lyons will face a congregational vote on his excommunication from the church he led for 70 years.

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“You could say I’m grieved,” Lyons said in a tearful Monday phone interview. But Lyons says his goal isn’t reinstating himself in leadership. He says he merely wants to keep the church he founded alive.

Troubled transition

“The Rev. Vernon Lyons wants to make one thing clear: He’s not retiring,” he said a 2019 article in The Orland Park Prairie news. “After 68 years at the helm of Orland’s Ashburn Baptist Church, Lyons is relinquishing his title and taking up a new one as assistant pastor.”

But Thompson offered a different version of events. He says the two never agreed that Lyons would stay on staff as an assistant pastor, but instead would retire and become pastor emeritus. Yet when Thompson offered Lyons the emeritus position, Lyons refused.

Tommy Thompson
Pastor Tommy Thompson preaches at Ashburn Baptist Church.

In a Facebook post in March 2020, Vernon Lyons claimed that he was “fired and given two weeks to vacate his study in the church, with its thousands of books, and turn in his keys.”

Lyons says Thompson fired him without the required congregational vote. But Thomson told Lyons in a letter that this was a “false charge,” adding:

“These actions, and your refusal to accept the role of Pastor Emeritus are accepted by the deacons and myself as a resignation….What I don’t understand, is why you would purposefully make a decision that you knew would hurt the church of God, you spent your entire life leading.”

Exacerbating matters, Thompson removed Lyons’ son, Sam Lyons, who had served as an associate pastor at Ashburn for nearly 45 years. According to Thompson—and a written confession by Sam Lyons—Sam was involved in an inappropriate relationship with a female member of the church, “which was not adulterous but was so wrong.”

Yet Sam now says he felt “under pressure” to make the statement and that the relationship was never romantic.

Thompson claims the departure of Sam Lyons is part of the “much deeper story” of problems he has uncovered at Ashburn under the senior Rev. Lyons. “There is behavior that our leadership has tried to hold him accountable for, and instead, he continues to lash out, and continues to recruit people to attack us.”

Among the behavioral problems Thompson cited was a scandal involving Lyons’s other son, Charles, who pastored another congregation, Armitage Baptist Church. In 2019, the 68-year-old Charles resigned from Armitage, which he had led for 45 years, after confessing to sexually abusing a family member when he was a teenager. 

Vernon Lyons still attends the church when he’s not guest preaching at other churches, but his continued presence generated the excommunication charge, and Wednesday’s 8:00 p.m. meeting, which will follow a 7:00 p.m. service.

“The pace of excommunication has accelerated tremendously”

Like many independent, fundamentalist churches, Ashburn Baptist Church has long practiced excommunication of members who fail to meet the expectations of its church covenant. According to letters provided to The Roys Report ranging from 2007—2013, members have been excommunicated for “failing to tithe,” “filing for divorce,” and “failure to attend the regular services of the church.”

David Montoya, a former Ashburn member, contends that under Lyons, offenders had a chance to defend themselves before congregants voted anonymously on each case. But under Thompson, Montoya said, “The pace of excommunication has accelerated tremendously.”

Montoya left the church in June 2020, after he and five other members were charged with sowing division. Montoya said the congregation initially voted not to excommunicate him and the others. But he said Thompson recharged the group four months later, and by that time, most of those charged had moved on to other churches.

Montoya describes the heartbreak members are experiencing, but says that as a former  Mormon who was baptized at Ashburn in 2015, his decision to leave the church was a “cake walk.”

“When things got abusive, I had already walked down this road before in leaving the Mormon church,” he said.

One of several excommunication letters Ashburn Baptist sent to members under Pastor Vernon Lyons’ leadership.

When asked about the recent excommunications, Thompson alleged that over the years, Lyons has “weaponized the church covenant” to excommunicate those he didn’t like. When asked if Thompson is doing the same thing, Thompson replied, “Scripture says you live by the sword, you die by the sword. . . . I’m not doing anything that hasn’t been done for 70 years.”

The church’s implosion has been brutal for everyone involved.

Lyons said he’s seen beloved, long-time members depart “to the four corners of the compass.” He has watched the church decline over the last two years. He saw the church cut off support for a missionary in Israel Ashburn had supported for a decade. In at least one case, police were called to the church to settle a dispute between members.

“Since (Thompson) has come on, we’ve had a frightful exodus,” said Lyons, who declined to indicate what he would say when he speaks at tonight’s meeting on his excommunication. “Things have been roughly cut in half. Sunday morning is like a ghost town. It’s a great grief, but the church is what’s crucial, not me.”

Thompson, on the other hand, said he’s simply defending the church from Lyons’s assaults. He added that the founding pastor has been involved in “two years of antagonism and division, and those within our church are very aware of it.”

UPDATE: Ashburn Baptist voted to excommunicate Vernon Lyons by a vote of 46-9 on Wednesday night. Votes were cast anonymously.



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94 thoughts on “Grieving Pastor Faces Excommunication from Chicago Church He Founded 70 Years Ago”

  1. I grew up in this church. My family was among the members excommunicated, or “excluded” as they used to put it. What a ride. Legalistic to the core. Women were chastised and pulled aside for wearing pants. My father was initially denied membership for “having long hair.” Bullying and racism were rampant. Wealthy members were catered to for their larger tithes. It was truly just a toxic place.

      1. Phyllis Barker

        Where were you? How does a pastor not know his eldest son is sexually abusing a family member? If you are “unaware” turning a blind eye is more appropriate of sexual abuse in your midst how can you judge others. Charles admitted this to the Tribune. His father never went to seminary was never questioned about his life nor was Charles. Toxic and evil.

    1. Katrina Richmond

      I grew up there, too. I wholeheartedly agree with you, Megan. A toxic environment to be sure. My youth group had 50 or so members. As far as I know, only 5 or 6 of them are still active in any church anywhere.

  2. There’s nothing wrong with wrestling with these issues and discussing problems in the church, but the devil’s work is clear in those making gratuitous attacks on Baptists and sub-categories of Baptists, as if they are any worse than any other denomination. The people who are attacking Ashburn, the Lyons family or Baptists in general, for no other reason that to destroy them, are children of the devil. It’s obvious there is a spiritual darkness at work in the new leadership at Ashburn.

  3. I cannot speak to the situation at Ashburn Baptist Church in recent years, but I was a member there from 1985 to 1990. I have experienced abusive pastoral leadership situations at other churches before and since, and I am very sensitive to such abusive and cultlike situations and will immediately leave any church where any bullying or abuse is directed against me by the leadership. Such was not my experience at Ashburn – my interactions with Pastor Vernon Lyons and the leaders and people at Ashburn were mostly very positive, and I think we need to give credit where credit is due. Compared to other IFB churches in the Chicago area, there was much less wacko extremism at Ashburn and lots more sound doctrine and wisdom and good preaching. If you disagreed with something, you could express that to Pastor Lyons and he would listen with respect and you would not be put on the pastor’s enemies list like at so many other IFB churches.

    Yes, of course, some mistakes were made and it is not my intention to have any of that swept under the rug or to silence those who may have legitimate gripes. Let there be continuing and open discussion about what went wrong at Ashburn, and what went right. It is only fair that the discussion and debate should recognize that under Pastor Vernon Lyons, Ashburn became one of the great and widely respected flagship churches of the IFB movement in the Chicago area.

    Some of the policies may have been too strict, such as excommunication for not tithing, but that happened very rarely. No one knew what anyone’s income was, and the only way you could get in hot water for not tithing was if you were not contributing anything at all, and even then you could beat the rap by claiming that you had no income to tithe from.

    1. I wonder what other laws of ancient Israel could be used as grounds for excommunication? Mixing silk and cashmere in a garment? Now, that would probably eliminate most of the wealthy.

  4. VC did lead many to the lord however he is a sinner just like everyone and in no way shape or form was he a loving god like man ! He treated people like crap especially the woman in his family! We got a note in our church mail box addressed to my father Frank Barker “why are you allowing your daughter to where slacks to service?” My father replied with at least she’s here and the lord doesn’t care what she is wearing why should you! It’s about time he is held accountable for his actions and the actions he covered up for years! Practice what you preach people he was far from perfect! Your faith is personal no one can tell you how your faith should be everyone’s is different but the same! I refer him as a cult leader!

  5. I got saved in 1978 wile attending Ashburn Baptist Church in Chicago. Vernon Lyons was and continues to be a gifted man of God. I was grieved to learn of the ousting of Pastor Lyons; the church will not be the same without him. Although I attended the church for several years after getting saved, l never joined the church. As I studied the word of God, I was convicted that legalism is not from Jesus. Take tithing for example. I am a huge proponent of tithing. Tithing changes the way you handle God’s resources. The blessings are enormous. To live a life of contentment with your finances as opposed to always wanting more and getting into debt as a result can help you realize just how much God loves you. When Jesus said, “test me in this”; he is really opening up a storehouse of blessings to those who follow his invitation. What Jesus did not say is that if you don’t tithe or attend every service or have an occasional glass of wine, you should be ex communicated from the church.
    When Jesus knocked at the door, there was no handle on the door. You need to let him in and accept him!

    For the legalism, Ashburn Baptist Church got it wrong!

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