Faithful America, which claims to be the largest online community of Christians putting faith into action for social justice, has posted an online petition calling for the firing of Franklin Graham from Samaritan’s Purse and the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association (BGEA).
The petition, which has garnered more than 24,500 signatures, claims that Graham has betrayed the mission of both groups by spreading “discredited election conspiracy theories” and “white nationalist terrorism,” which it says led to the riot at the U.S. Capitol.
“As long as Samaritan’s Purse and the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association stand by Franklin Graham, it must be said that these once-vaunted organizations have forgotten their original Christian missions, abandoned the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and are complicit in the spread of dishonest, discredited election conspiracy theories and the deadly, unpatriotic, white-nationalist terrorism at the U.S. Capitol incited by those lies,” the petition states.
The petition’s initial goal was 20,000 signatures, but organizers have raised the bar to 25,000.
This isn’t the first time Faithful America has asked Samaritan’s Purse board members to remove Franklin Graham. Last August, the group posted a similar petition that garnered over 14,000 signatures. The petition listed the group’s grievances with Graham due to his support of President Donald Trump and Graham’s prayer at the Republican National Convention, which thanked God for the “many blessings” of Trump’s presidency.
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The current petition claims that Graham gets away with his political rhetoric “by hiding behind the humanitarian work of Samaritan’s Purse and his late father’s name.”
Faithful America cited one of Graham’s recent social media posts, which compared Republicans who voted for Trump’s second impeachment to Judas Iscariot. The group argued that the post essentially likened Trump to Jesus and was blasphemous.
Faithful America also accused Rev. Graham of shrugging off the violence that took place at the Capitol building that left five people dead.
Citing a quote from Graham about Trump (“We knew he had flaws when he ran for office in 2016”), the group claims there is nothing Christian about Graham’s seeming ambivalence to the role many believe Trump played in inciting the violence.
In a statement given to the Charlotte Observer, Paul Saber, a board member with Samaritan’s Purse and the BGEA, claimed that Faithful America “fabricated this lie that (Graham) incited violence at the Capitol.”
Saber also said, “The Boards of Directors for Samaritan’s Purse and the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association have expressed that they fully support Franklin Graham and are more than satisfied with the job he has done and is doing in leading these ministries. Franklin Graham was not in Washington, D.C., and he did not encourage people to go to the Capitol on January 6.”
The night before President Joe Biden’s inauguration, Rev. Graham stuck a conciliatory tone on social media and encouraged Americans to pray for their new leaders.
“Today as our country inaugurates a new president, there are concerns that there could be violence in Washington, DC, and in state capitals across the nation,” Graham wrote. “I encourage Christians to make this a day of prayer—for peace and calm, and praying for our new leaders, President-elect Joe Biden and Vice President-elect Kamala Harris.”
On Wednesday, the day of the inauguration, Rev. Graham urged President Biden not to push for the impeachment of Donald Trump.
“I appreciated the conciliatory words of President Joe Biden today, urging both parties to work together,” Graham wrote. “If the Democrats go ahead with pushing for the impeachment of a president who has left office, it would only further divide our nation. I hope President Biden will stand up to those on Capitol Hill who want to impeach Donald Trump and tell them to put this behind us.”
Jesse T. Jackson is an author at Church Leaders, where this article first appeared. Jackson also serves as a deacon, a growth group leader, and is a member of University Baptist Church in Beavercreek, Ohio.
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Please. Stop enabling groups who reek of virtue signaling.
Perfectly put!
The left controls everything (the media, academia, DC, etc), and much of the Church. Now they are coming after all Christians who do not bow to the left.
Dewey, do you have something productive to say or are you just here to troll Julie on every single post?
I have commented on less than a handful of posts, yet you accuse me of trolling Julie on every single post?
Far worse, you overall comment is a classic response that tries to minimize, shame, falsely accuse, and/or demonize the person, all while avoiding what is being said. It is quite common these days, especially those who shun correction, blame shift, and enable wrongdoing and deception.
Those who do this disqualify themselves from being engaged by others, at least at some point.
It is also worth mentioning that you avoiding responding elsewhere when the many serious problems in your comment/attack on another person were pointed out.
Please consider, so much of what you accuse, you are likely guilty. Also, while I am terribly sorry if you were harshly judged by others, maybe they did have a lot of truth to what they were saying. It’s just a suggestion, after looking at how and what you say to others.
But clearly I cannot engage with you anymore.
Please. Stop enabling “Christian” leaders who promote lies and spread dangerous, baseless conspiracy theories.
Yes, that is what many of us are trying to do, especially with people like Russell Moore, Beth Moore, etc. Wokeism/leftism is progressively deceiving and destroying more and more people.
Totally agree Jeff88keys! So well said!
Let’s find who it can be to gather thousands of signatures that support Franklin Graham. His leadership can influence nationwide opposition to some of Biden’s anti-Christian proposals. Even though Franklin asked that we pray for Biden, that’s fine for some things but we need to pray for his failure in other and crazy statements.
I was wondering if there was a petition started yet. I would say that “Support Christian Journalism” phrase at the bottom of some this sites pages made me wonder if it’s actually journalism being practiced here if there is no visible sign that the platform the Roys Report has carved for itself dies nothing good to help the people it ‘reports’ on, maybe THEY could start a petition in support of Pastor Franklin Graham.
Certainly you could start such a petition. And if it garners 20K-30K signatures, we would report on it, as well.
Pray for Biden’s failure? I do not think that is what Paul had in mind when he wrote 1 Timothy 2:1-4.
“Social Justice ” says it all! They have another gospel they’re promoting.
Reading over their website, Faithful America strikes me as anything but a truly Christian organization. Franklin Graham can support whoever he wants, HOWEVER, it would not hurt for evangelical leaders to be less involved publicly supporting candidates, and focus attention mostly on important issues.
The author of this article comes from Church Leaders. If you’re looking to understand where Church Leaders is coming from just go to the website and check out the list of articles. You find out how liberal they are in their thinking and theology. When you have social justice as a transcendent theological framework, you’ve replaced the gospel.
Well said. Let’s start focusing on what the Word says instead of what men say.
Sure then we could start with Exodus 20:16, “You should not bear false witness” and consider the lies Graham repeated about a fraudulent election!
In great irony, you just did what you accused him of doing. If people were not so quick to falsely condemn and dismiss facts and true concerns as “conspiracy theories,” etc then the whole world would be in a much better place.
That’s how this coup got fueled! That’s why the rioters carried JESUS signs!
This is terrible. Liberal Christians wanting Franklin Graham removed so they can further liberal Christianity.
This is typical of what is going on these days. If one doesn’t like what someone has said, or doesn’t like their stand on something, guess it’s ok to go after them. We will never all agree of how this country is run or the way it is going, but we need to build a bridge with love. Pray for our leaders and their agenda.
I’m not sure this is the correct platform to bring this church up, but The Presbyterian Counsel USA located in DC issued a statement about the happenings of January 6th. You can find it on Utube. . Their descriptive words are very alarming. Would like to chat with someone about this.
What happened to free speech are Christians now going to dismiss the constitution. If they put Franklin Graham out I will never support Samaritans Purse again. I would like to know who started this. Some Christian think they are so perfect but are wolves in sheep’s clothing.
I don’t support Samaritan’s Purse because I don’t support many of Franklin Graham’s positions. However, I’m not on the board, so it’s not my job to decide whether or not he should be employed. I choose to support other Christian philanthropies instead. I find that usually these online petitions aren’t successful anyway. If you really want Franklin Graham gone (I certainly wouldn’t miss him), find another organization to support. Lack of funding speaks volumes.
This has to be the dumbest thing I ever heard. Lord Jesus come back now before I have to explain this idiocy to a person with more than two neurons firing that we don’t treat our servants like the pagans.
I’ve had it up to here with liberal groups like this going after people like Franklin Graham. I don’t think he should be as involved with supporting political leaders or either side, but this witch hunt after conservatives has gone too far. The witch hunters need to be opposed and confronted in their wicked behavior.
Faithful America?!?!
There not my voice as a Christian.
Thanks for bringing this group to my attention …look them up…educate yourselves of sources behind this divisive, inflammatory attacks ……
And so we see the accusation and impeachment of President Trump for Inciting insurrection is about much more than President Trump. It is a path to accuse all of his supporters of the same in an attempt to silence them, remove them from positions of influence and discredit any arguments they may make.
I wish all pastors, missionaries and evangelists would not publicly support or denounce individual political candidates at all. It confuses the gospel message and conflates the kingdom of this world with the kingdom of God. It’s not helpful.
Agree completely with you R. “Spiritual” leaders dilute and even tarnish the message if they get involved in practical politics.
If we/they should not be involved in politics, then what other parts of life should true believers not be a part of? Business? Sports?
If Christians and Christian leaders do not speak to this, and/or get involved, then this pivotal and extremely powerful area of life will be dominated by all who oppose TRUE Christianity. And here we are …
Lord Jesus did not endorse political candidates. He made it clear that His kingdom was not of this world.
His ministers should study to emulate His wisdom in this. Let them call the Church to prayer for all those in authority.
That is more than sufficient.
For what it is worth, Althea, there were no political candidates to endorse. God calls us to expose evil and falsehoods. He calls us to oppose evil and error. He calls us to support and live for what is good and godly.
Politics is filled with ideologies. Christianity is an ideology. But you seem to be saying Christians should somehow not letting their ideology impact what governs so much of our lives. Worse, to let all the godless and anti-Christians dominate who and what governs us ………
What you are asserting is beyond insufficient, it is foolish and deadly, and it is a main reason why we are where we are today.
Amen, R. It is so tiring to hear Christians talk about leftism and liberalism instead of sin and the need for redemption in Jesus. We should be about promoting Christ and His kingdom, not political candidates, parties, or their ideologies.
Franklin Graham has definitely “confused the gospel message.” I see he is doing commercials on TV again and all I can think is, “How dare you?” He has so tarnished the name of Christ by his actions and his words.
Yes! The left is never satisfied. It is totalitarian by definition, although they initially give lip service to “freedom,” “unity,” etc.
When leftists and most of today’s Dems (including Biden) say unity, what they actually mean is the removal and destruction of all who disagree. This has always been the case, and it is increasingly being played out right before our eyes.
If you or your church is not left-compliant, they will come after you. And those who are already left-compliant will join in on this evil.
Julie, why do you give a platform to people like this? The first sentence says it all. Liberal “Christianity” is barely Christian at all. Liberal Christianity disregards the holiness of God and tramples on his authoritative word. They are enemies of the Gospel. The “social justice gospel” is not the Gospel of Jesus Christ. It is an altogether different gospel and should be rejected in its entirety. I don’t even know whose side you are on anymore. Why on earth would you support this? Are you trying to cancel all Christians from their workplaces and ministries for one mistake? You have way less grace than Jesus.
I agree Paul and Micaiah.
It is time for the Roys Report to repent and to return to the truth of the Word of God. There is a high responsibility in allowing these articles to be posted. You are reporting only one side while totally disregarding all of the violence we have seen over this past year with those who say they have the right to destroy businesses, cities, and whole downtowns.
You have beaten down faithful pastors who are standing firm in these evil days like John MacArthur (a rare jewel in our crooked world) while allowing organizations like Faithful America to promote their name. May it not be! I am praying for you.
“Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!” Isaiah 5:20
This article included a comment from the other side–the BGEA & Samaritan’s Purse board member–and reported the news without comment. That’s what news sites do.
Also, this site has not “beaten down” John MacArthur. It’s reported the facts about MacArthur’s fight with the government over following restrictions aimed at curbing the spread of COVID. It’s also reported on the alleged COVID outbreak at MacArthur’s church, and the death of a member and Master’s Seminary student who had COVID.
What this site does that’s unique is that it doesn’t shrink from reporting the news–good and bad–about Christian leaders within our own tribe and/or doctrinal positions. That makes what we do controversial. But it’s also critical for holding Christian leaders and ministries accountable.
Yes, but I haven’t read anything “good” or affirming of the stand MacArthur has taken for “not neglecting to meet together” Heb 10:25 as many churches have now for 10+ months…….or his faithfulness to preach the Word of God for more than 50 years and holding to the truth of God’s Word (even though unpopular to hold to with topics like social justice, homosexuality, women not being elders/ pastors, etc)…never having any hint of immorality as many others have had.
We have praised pastors who have closed their doors for almost one year….while hinting at it being an awful crime committed for those who have not done so.
I would say that secular news media would also say they are just reporting the facts. Yet we all know how they color a story. And secular surely twist the facts as well.
I have really appreciated the Roys Report in many ways over the years. But I just don’t want to see you guys going down the wrong road and giving a tainted view of what is really happening with limited knowledge. Nor giving into the culture, fear and unBiblical views.
I don’t believe it’s my job to say whether his stand is good or bad. But I reported the stand MacArthur took pretty straight:
https://julieroys.com/macarthur-defies-restrictions-on-worship/
I also reported that MacArthur warned Moody years ago about James MacDonald, which I think many would view as an article that showed MacArthur in a positive light:
https://julieroys.com/john-macarthur-warned-moody-years-ago-about-james-macdonald-emails-reveal/
I think if you look carefully at articles I publish here, you’ll see a consistent effort to be fair and present both sides. For example, I added Mohler’s response to Hatmaker’s statement in yesterday’s story because I felt the piece I received from AP/RNS was too one-sided.
So yes, some media do twist the facts or color a story, but that’s something we work hard to avoid at The Roys Report.
Julie, I would encourage you to listen to John MacArthur’s latest sermon. In it, he talks about how Grace Community Church has been a light in the darkness in prisons and in the LA community during COVID. In my opinion, it is incredibly newsworthy and edifying to hear how the hands and feet of Christ have shared God’s love with the world during these dark times.
Do you regard the strong counsel of the writer of Hebrews – “Do not give up meeting together” as out-ranking the instructions by Peter and Paul to obey the governing authorities – for the Lord’s sake (1 Peter 2 and Romans 13)?
Zoom hosts ‘meetings’. Therefore, churches which meet using technology are still meeting together. Other churches meet together via FB groups.
The writer of Hebrews does not say “Do not give up meeting together under any circumstances – even if a plague is raging through Palestine”.
Common sense is essential, when considering our conduct as Christians. ‘Love does no harm to its neighbour’ – e.g. avoidably causing a neighbour to contract Covid – is at least as important a scripture as that found in Hebrews 10:25.
From Faithful America’s “About” page:
“We stand with our Catholic members to challenge the Catholic hierarchy in the United States to live up to the inspiring words of Pope Francis.” Of course Francis fits with their liberal agenda, but it is highly ironic that he is the head of that very hierarchy, and one that continues the entrenched pattern of covering up sexual abuse in the Catholic church, as other Catholics continue to call him out on.
“…and we work together for…full LGBTQ inclusion,…”. Lower down is a view of their “successes” in this regard.
The Episcopal priest who heads up Faithful America, Nathan Empsall, on his home page lists among his service activities:
Volunteer, Hillary For America headquarters, November 2016
Member of Biden for President (2008) New Hampshire Steering Committee
Julie, we know you are a reporter, whose job it is to report news, and while this article is of course news, obviously you select which news to report, and this is not done randomly or without purpose. Do you believe in and support what Faithful America does, and hope more people will sign the petition?
I am going to venture and say Julie does not believe in what this group touts, and the article is included as how some in Christianity are falling prey to cancel culture and signaling their virtue to men/women vs following God first.
The Church is to be above “cancel culture” since we do not live to please men [humanity] but first, God alone.
“Faithful America” seems far more occupied with “virtue signaling” and pleasing Man.
As R. Albert Mohler has said on The Briefing, “Liberal Christianity” is another whole religion preaching a different gospel because it does not want to take God at His Word
If God can take down leaders like James MacDonald and others for messing with His people and His Gospel, then He certainly will have His day with these groups who uphold the spirit of man before the Holy God.
I am not the sharpest tool in the shed but it seems to me like iit is easy to railroad anyone these days if you disagree with them. I don’t see any creditable proof that Franklyn Graham is a snake. I think he is a born again Christian who probably makes mistakes once in a while
If this group (Faithful America) were to take a vote, God would have to resign.
Inmates trying to run the asylum.
Uwe
(Jude 3)
Post Tenebras Lux
Julie: I have the same question as Paul above. How does this article advance you stated goals of Reporting the Truth and Restoring the Chuch? You made an editorial decision to post the article to your platform. What are your editorial standards? Why did this article make the cut? Help me understand because this article stikes me as a christian group attacking another christian for holding a political view that they disagree with? I don’t get how this article advances your mission.
The question of whether the evangelical community has been co-opted by political aims is a valid topic for discussion for those concerned about the purity of the church. The petition expresses one view, which apparently is shared by more than 25K people. That’s news. Per our standards, we made sure that the article also invited a response from the other side–the BGEA & Samaritan’s Purse board member. Now, Christians on both sides can debate their views, which is a healthy practice. We will continue to report news that’s relevant to those who care about the church and her witness–and we will do it in an objective and balanced way.
Julie, I really believe you need to make a clear stand on the social justice movement. Your writers are leaning strongly in the wrong direction of what we are called to stand firm on in God’s Word. I would encourage you not to have it be your aim to have a good headline as secular media does….but rather to encourage the body of Christ in what the Word of God says. Many of the articles lately are empty and without God’s Word. His Word is far more important than what any writer has to say about a topic.
Faithful America logo says “Love thy Neighbor. No exceptions.” No Scripture. No Biblical basis. Aligning with those who are promoting sins that we as believers should not uphold.
They have said, “We are the largest online community of Christians putting faith into action for social justice. Our members are sick of sitting by quietly while Jesus’ message of good news is hijacked by the religious right to serve a hateful political agenda.”
Yet Julie and Jesse Jackson (writer of this article), the true Gospel is not only a message of good news. It is first telling sinners the bad news of the Gospel of Jesus Christ….that they are enemies of God….separated from God because of their sin…..that they are totally depraved. If you do not share the bad news first it is not the True Gospel of Jesus Christ.
We must know a Biblical definition of what love truly is from the Word of God and not what the world says or what social justice movements want to promote that are devoid of the true Gospel. That is not love! Nor is it loving as writers for the Roys Report writers to make it seem good.
Love is not tolerating sin or accepting of it. Faithful America seems to be promoting sin. That is not actually loving.
In the churches of Revelation, God spoke against the church of Thyatira as they were overly accepting of everything including sin.
Revelation 2:20 “But I have this against you, that you tolerate the woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, and she teaches and leads My bond-servants astray so that they commit sexual immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols.”
Ephesian 4:17 “speaking the truth in love”
Hebrews 12:6 “FOR WHOM THE LORD LOVES HE DISCIPLINES, AND HE PUNISHES EVERY SON WHOM HE ACCEPTS.”
In our news articles, we do not advocate for one view over the other. We report the news and let readers engage with the facts.
I have written opinion pieces on the topic of socialism and social justice. See: https://julieroys.com/five-reasons-why-socialism-is-not-christian/ and https://julieroys.com/wheaton-colleges-promotion-of-social-justice/
That said, this piece, though offered by a Left-leaning group, concerns more than social justice. It’s about whether Graham, in his advocacy for Trump, crossed a line. Agree or disagree, that’s a valid topic for discussion.
It reveals the broken soul of the Christian Left. Shame on these people!
I researched who is Faithful America and “social justice” and LGBQ rights revealed their anti-scriptural stand. No wonder they are attacking Franklin Graham for removal. They follow the footsteps of the cancel culture of the world. We know who is the prince of darkness and who for a time has been allowed to roam through this sinful globe. Don’t be deceived Christ followers
Julie, I am honestly curious, what line do you think he crossed? In the article you state that one of the lines seems to be this, “The petition listed the group’s grievances with Graham due to his support of President Donald Trump and Graham’s prayer at the Republican National Convention, which thanked God for the “many blessings” of Trump’s presidency.”
If that is a line we cannot cross, what can we say as Christians? I guess leaders are never to admit in public that they agree more with the policies of one party over the other.
Just wondering.
At the risk of sounding redundant, the article is not about me or my views. It’s a news story.
Thank you for responding so quickly and I understand your objective as a reporter. You report, we decide.
Franklin Graham is a world-class buffoon who deserves to be laughed out of the pulpit for good with his absurd and idolatrous statements about Trump but the hypocrisy of this petition reeks to the high heavens. I’ve yet to be made aware of a single instance of these social-justice “Christian” groups having a cross word to say about the riots all summer in which people were murdered, cities razed to the ground, cops attacked etc. It’s only when rightists do those things that they erupt in righteous anger. So, as far as I am concerned they can stuff it.
It’s called “selective outrage,” and “selective justice,” which is the polar opposite of true justice, and the truth itself. Yet, in irony upon irony, all of these “social justice” groups know nothing but selective outrage and selective justice, which always perverts justice, yet they claim to be the leaders in seeking justice, and they demand that everyone else bow to their inverted justice. And countless Christians have done just that.
excellent point Dewey. That is quite true.
Julie, once again I thank you for reporting the news. It saddens me to see so many responses of those who don’t seem to value true journalism. It seems as though they only want to hear things that have been filtered for their liking.
Truth is that sometimes we need to hear the other side because we actually learn things. I did not know, for example, that Graham has been posting the things that he has. Now, I do like Graham for many reasons. But (and this is important to me), I do have reservations about his endorsing Donald Trump (if he hasn’t done it overtly one doesn’t have to look hard to interpret what is between the lines). For Graham to go off on how amazing DJT has been for our country is really disappointing. Agree or disagree with his political opinion, it is better for America’s evangelist to not align himself so closely with political figures. His father learned that lesson. It would be good for the younger Graham as well.
I would argue that the anti-biblical and far left “Faithful America” launching this type of cancel petition against someone that doesn’t fit their politics or anti-Christian social agenda is not even news; it’s a given and completely predictable they will continue in these kinds of attacks.
Among the previous “successes” of Faithful America in their LGBTQ activism, from their “About” page: Convinced Google to Drop World Vision, Defended an Unjustly-Defrocked Pastor, Helped Students Win Justice for Fired Gay Principal, Pressured MSNBC into Dropping the Family Research Council. Regarding the last “success” they cite the outrageous, hateful Southern Poverty Law Center as backing up their view.
The article was originally posted on the Church Leaders site, and at least one person there commented she signed the petition as a result. Julie, if by posting this article and providing a link to the petition you also hope to draw in more support for the mission of Faithful America, perhaps you succeeded in helping them garner a few signatures.
However, another reason this article is not even newsworthy is that the petition has zero chance of doing anything to advance its purpose, even if you agree with the ultimate goal, since those it is trying to influence will rightly completely disregard it due to its source, with its habit of anti-Christian crusades.
Conservative Catholics have also taken issue with Faithful America and its leader Nathan Empsall and their “rabid advocacy of abortion rights:”
https://www.catholicleague.org/episcopalian-priest-crosses-the-line/
EPISCOPALIAN PRIEST CROSSES THE LINE
Catholic League president Bill Donohue comments on an Episcopalian priest who is interfering in Catholic Church matters:
Religious leaders abide by an unspoken rule not to stick their noses into the affairs of another religion. This has been violated by Episcopalian priest Rev. Nathan Empsall. He is lecturing Catholics on the Church’s teachings on Holy Communion.
Empsall is an embarrassment. He heads an entity, Faithful America, that has a record of attacking religious liberty and free speech. It also seeks to create discord in the Catholic Church.
When a South Carolina priest, Fr. Robert Morey, recently denied Joe Biden Holy Communion because of his rabid advocacy of abortion rights, some Catholics disagreed with the priest’s decision. John Carr, director of Georgetown’s Catholic Social Thought and Public Life, failed to support the priest. That is hardly surprising—he is a man of the left. But at least he has a place at the table.
Unlike Carr, Empsall is not Catholic and should therefore mind his own business. Empsall is now launching a petition drive asking the priest’s bishop to direct Morey to apologize to Biden.
Empsall’s campaign is laughable. We will not respond with a counter-petition drive—as we did earlier in response to Empsall’s attempt to silence Attorney General Bill Barr—because it is not our mission to instruct bishops on what to say. But we will let Empsall, a tool of the left, know that he has crossed the line.
Faithful America has been asleep for years. If its fat-cat donors think they can jump start it by bullying Catholics, they are sadly mistaken. We will checkmate them any day of the week. Bet on it.
If BGEA/SP continues to solicit access to the people and resources of Christian churches, it is only common sense that Franklin Graham be held accountable and responsible for his rhetoric and behavior in the public square by pastors such as myself. And we will! Like RZIM, when you stack your board with members of your own family, now you’ve just added nepotism to your list of shortcomings! The credibility of North American evangelicalism is at an all-time low. “I looked for a wo/man to stand in the gap.” BRAVO, Julie!!