Tyler Deaton Cult: A Survivor’s Story, Pt. 2

SPEAKERS: Julie Roys, “Jamie”

Note: This is a rough transcript and may contain some misspellings.

The following program includes an intense description of an exorcism and discussion of suicide and murder. Listener discretion is advised.

“Jamie”: Mike Bickle actually came out. He said to us, we are stopping the service. This is about to come out in the news. Micah Moore has confessed to murdering Bethany Deton, and so that’s how I find out. That was an awful way to find that out.

Julie: How do you heal after being in a cult that led to someone’s death and after being controlled and brainwashed by a cult leader, how do you recover a relationship with God? In part two of my interview with Jamie, a former member of Tyler Deon’s, Kansas City Cult. She talks about her truly miraculous journey to freedom and spiritual health.

She also addresses rumors that leaders at the International House of Prayer, specifically Shelly Huntley coerced Micah Moore, to confess to Bethany Deon’s murder. Just to review, in October, 2012, Tyler’s wife, Bethany Deaton was found dead in a van with a plastic bag over her head and a suicide note by her side.

Her death initially was ruled a suicide, but about a week later, a cult member, Micah Moore, confessed that he killed Bethany at Tyler’s request. Police charged Micah with a murder, but two years later dismissed the case for lack of evidence. I. However that investigation remains open today, we pick up Jamie’s story with a powerful account of what happened during a meeting with IHOP KC leaders.

The night that Micah confessed. This would’ve been about a week after Bethany died. According to Jamie ihop Casey leader, Alan Hood began to pray over the cult members, and suddenly people were being released from demons.

“Jamie”: This is exactly what he did. He stands up and he has, he does his thing with his arm where, in his hand, where it’s it’s flat and he’s moving it up and down.

And he was like, father in Jesus name, break witchcraft. And Julie, when he said that. I have never experienced this ever, and have not in any other circumstances, even come close to this. The heavens opened, they were ripped open, and there was so much light in the room and all of us.

We simultaneously all at the exact same time, no one was touching us. No one was

putting oil on us,

no one was accused. We all started all at once, simultaneously at the exact same.

Falling out of our chairs,

man with besting demons all at once.

And it was Lord.

The Lord was in that room. I can’t describe it. It was so powerful

and this was something that we did not know, but they did have prisoners of hope in a back room. We didn’t even know they were there. And they heard us screaming

and they ran out into the room and saw Alling on the ground and screaming. I even saw one guy, I opened

the back of his head.

Don’t just sit there, you go to this, you lay your hands on this, you pray for this. My girl came up to me, looked at me, and I literally, she ripped a demon off of me. I literally felt it like a sheet come off of me.

There were,

and I’m so thankful. And then they did pray for us, I repair of witchcraft. They had to say it, and I was willing to say it. I wasn’t forced to, I never, and then at some point they did split the men and women. But there was a person, at least for each one of us, and there might have been more people there, and they split the men to one side and the women were on one side and they were praying for us and we repented of things and and. I will say looking back, it was it was a little it was jarring.

They should have gotten professional counsel, like professional people who have dealt with cults, but. I also think they didn’t know what they were getting into. Do you know what I mean? Like they didn’t know. They didn’t know, like people, they did not know at this point anything about Tyler having sexual relations with any of the guys.

Like people think that they knew all this. Stuff they didn’t, they found out that night when the guy started confessing it. And then this is the other thing I’ve heard many people say, oh, they were like, hounding y’all, for truth. And it was really IHOP Casey’s idea to put this.

Onto Micah. And it was like, that’s crazy. That is crazy that people think that oh, and God, that the Lord, the Lord showed up in that room. And Shelly was actually with us girls for majority of the night. So at some point, Allen Hood, he needed to leave. This was not like right after it happened.

Like he was there probably for an hour and a half. I don’t even know if it was that long, to be honest with you, in maybe an hour. Do you know what I mean? So let’s say like from seven to nine was. Us talking and disgusting discussing. And then from nine to 10, 10 30 was this deli like the deliberate session that people all talk about and how they like, have made all these crazy things story, but but Alan needed, they needed to leave for him. Him and his wife, Rachel, and Alan asked for Shelly to go over there because was the leader in our room. And so it was like, it wasn’t because Ellen wanted. Shelly to come over the air to pro Micah Moore? It was just because Alan needed to leave because it was his anniversary weekend and they had a big thing.

And I respect that. I’m not mad at him. He stayed a very long time, but never once when Shelly was in the room with us, did she ever bring up Bethany? And try to convince any of us that we had anything to do with murdering her, murdering Bethany. That’s not what happened. And us ladies, we ended the night around 11, 11 30.

That’s when we ended it. That was hard. After going through all of that, to just be sent home like that was hard. Emotionally, that’s where the whole trauma informed people. Again, I’m not saying it was like these people were perfect and to be honest with you, like they’re human beings. Like I think people forget that.

Like people forget that these people are humans. And it’s I don’t know if I can really say it like this, but it’s you screwed up too in your life and you’ve regretted it. Shirley has actually repented to me, like for how it wasn’t handled, how she now more mature, more aware how things like how you would.

Help a cult situation like she has repented to me and that’s who she needs. Not just, I’m not like, oh yeah, just me. That’s not what I’m saying. She doesn’t need to repent for everybody else to hear it. That’s not your business. You are not the one she needs to repent to for what whatever you think would ever happened that night.

Do you know what I mean? It’s she’s done it with me. She has repented to me. And so when I left that night, a lot of the girls had our room was extremely quiet and we could still hear the guys at this point, at this stage of the night. It wasn’t like frantic, like chaos, like how it was.

Earlier, and this is the thing, Shelly wasn’t in that room by herself with Micah. Like she wasn’t in there. It was a big room. There were a whole bunch of people in there. It wasn’t like, Shelly running the show in there. It, that isn’t even, that’s not what it was. Do you know what I mean? And the only reason why I can say that is because we, us girls would have experienced something similar.

Do you know what I mean? It’s not Shelly was one way in our room and then went to the other room. It was like a drastically different person. Do you know what I mean? Like she’s the same person, but I could still hear like some, like the guy, like some guy. I don’t, I can’t tell you who, which one of the guys, I don’t even, I don’t know if I can tell you at that point, if all the guys were even still there.

Like they could have, some of the guys could have actually been gone by then. Do you know what I mean? But when we, when I did hear a guy, not like it was a whale. It was like a crying out like a sorrow inside of them finally being able to be released. It wasn’t this I’m being tortured someone come save me.

It that’s not what it was. It was like someone has finally come aside beside you. And helped you that night was like the buildup of all of our abuse within in this cult like exploded. We were allowed to release it. And I just think it’s nuts that people think it’s like the, I hope leadership did this.

I’m telling you it was the Lord and I’m so grateful and but when I was leaving I looked so in the front of Shiloh, between those two rooms, when you can go to the left or the right, there’s this little foyer, I think that’s what it’s called in the middle. ’cause there are doors to the rooms and there was like a group of 10 people and they were all listening to someone.

I was like, like not in a I’m holding this person down, or I’m putting anointing oil on them, or I’m shouting words at them. They were silently listening and people all are like, Michael Moore had a psychological breakdown with all the tension and all the stuff, and he went into a hallucinating state and he, because of, because.

Shelly Hunley asked him a question, and you know what? Maybe Michael Moore did have a psychological break at that moment, but as sure as heck was not Shelly Huntley’s fault for asking a question. That’s like saying like you’re on the street and you ask a person like, how are you doing today?

And that person for some reason, because of all the stuff that’s happened in their past, have some like moment of breaking and it’s somehow that person’s fault because they asked the question. That’s like insane to me. I’m like, no, Shelly didn’t do that. They’re so focused on their rage of IHOP and their rage at leadership that they can’t understand that Micah.

Had a psychological breakdown because of Tyler Deon messing with his brain for the past three to four years. Why are you blaming Shelly? Tyler’s the one that’s been screwing with his head for the past years. Micah would randomly say something crazy. And we would be like, what? And he’d be like oh.

He would do his mica thing. He did this thing where he would like, he like hunches, he had little hunch ’cause he’s quite tall and he holds his head. He holds his head like whoa. And he would, he always have his hands like on his face. And he would be like, he would just shake it. Be like, oh nevermind.

And I’m just like, no, this guy was already prone. To say crazy things and blaming Shelly because she asked a question and then he went off on the rail. That’s nuts. So to me, and then that’s just the other thing. I know that at Southwestern he took a year off from school, and I believe it had to do with his mental health.

I remember because it was a big to-do when he came back and Tyler was extremely excited that Micah was back and intentionally had people in the cult who were at Southwestern go after him to get him back in to the group.

Julie: What impact did it have on you and the rest of the community? I. When you heard there was a confession, if you knew, or when did you become aware that they went to the police station and that there was a confession and then for months.

Really Two years. They were investigating this as a

“Jamie”: murder. Yeah. So Thursday night, it was, Thursday night happened and that was really good. But also, was it shook your foundation. The cult, it was our whole social life. Tyler very much caused people to turn on their families. So a lot of the cult members no longer spoke to their families.

So it became, the cult was very much family. It was, our lives. So that was, Thursday night and then the next day. I was really shaken. I didn’t know what to do that day. And they have the Encountering God service on Friday evenings. It was a normal service, and worship was going, everything was normal.

And then worship was usually an hour to an hour and a half, but they actually stopped at about like 30 minutes. 30 minutes in an hour. Mike Bickle actually came out. He said to us. You’re stopping the service. This is about to come out in the news. Micah Moore has confessed to murdering Bethany Deton.

And so that’s how I find out. That was like, wow, that was awful. That was a awful way to find that out. I don’t understand how they didn’t think of getting us like. Through our pe, through Prisoners of Hope to let us know this happened. I was shocked and horrified and sadden so many emotions.

And then the thing that was worse was not even worse, but just a nail in the coffin. I don’t even know if that was the right terminology, but a girl turned around who was in my class. And she, I she knew I had been in the cult and she looked at me and just put her hand, she put her hand on me.

That was so shocking, and it’s really sad to know that your friend committed suicide, and I’m not diminishing that. But it is another thing to find out that your friend murdered your friend that, that’s absolutely awful. I, that was a hard way to find out.

Julie: Can I ask you about that girl turning around and putting her hand up?

Yeah. What did that. Communicate to you, and what did that feel like?

“Jamie”: There’s a lot of emotions there too. I think one, one of them was one I was feeling a lot of shame. I was, felt shame. I was in a cult, I was in a cult that led to my friend committing suicide.

And then I’m getting, I’m even more horrified that, now I’m in a cult that is murdering people, and it’s just this it’s so shocking. It’s so it, one, I’m feeling a lot of shame. I’m feeling shock. I’m feeling grief, but then having someone who shouldn’t know that I was in the cult.

To turn around and know that you were in the cold. I felt so exposed.

Julie: Oh, so you had never told her. So you don’t know how she found out

“Jamie”: The reason why she knew I’ll tell you why I, the reason why she knew is ’cause she was the vice president of the student body. Of IHOP U and the vice president and president of the student body were in these high level meetings.

That just tells me that list of our names went around and, I think there’s just, there’s something so truthful about not exposed, like there is a. There is a godly exposing of people’s sins when it is necessarily necessary. AKA Mike fickle when they’re unrepentant, they are not turning from their ways, and for instance, for him, he’s making every excuse in the book.

No. The Lord makes it very clear that there are times when you are supposed to expose. But most of the other times we’re supposed to cover, that was something that was really hard. ’cause I would have Judy, random people that I have never spoken to, never had conversation with, come up to me and it was just like, I had no I am I’m laughing because I had no foundation except for Jesus. I honestly can say, I would not have been able to make it through what had happened without him. He, I think that’s one thing people, a lot of people don’t think about when they’re talking so much about. What happened? They’re not realize that they’re talking about people’s lives.

There’s no compassion and no mercy and no tenderness. Yeah. And it was after that, that after that service, I got a text from my Prisoners of Hope mentor person. She was like, Hey. We’re getting all the girls together at this apartment in her hut. ’cause some of the girls that were in the main house of girls did not want to stay in that house anymore after finding out we were cool.

And that’s legitimate. And it was there that I then found out that guys had confessed to sleeping with Tyler. So it was like another just wave of shock of what were we a part of, the depth of abuse because it’s out of all the guys who were in the cult or those guys, they all married women. And Tyler eventually did marry a man and I don’t know about two other guys, but it just.

Made me, be like, wow. What kind of manipulation and deceit did Tyler do to make these men who married women, they didn’t go off and end up marrying men, they were so deceived to be having sex with him, like the level of deceit. The level of manipulation that Tyler operated in to get these men to do this with him is mind boggling.

But it was like when we found out that Micah confessed to murdering Bethany, people like ran after that. It was like all the men the next day were. Gone. They were not in town. I think I saw one guy later in that day, but they, but I didn’t actually talk to him. I was like, I had no desire to talk to him.

And then multiple girls also left. I think that’s something that a lot of people don’t realize. Whatever you wanna say as to why Micah confessed. I’m not in Micah’s head. I can’t, I’m not gonna sit here and tell you this is why he said this. I never sat down and had a conversation with him, so I’m not gonna sit here and pretend that I do.

But he confessed something and spoke so many things that was so harmful to us. And I think a lot of people, and then they’re like. Micah’s just saying people need to repent to him. Micah really because of what he did, because of his concession, which is not out of character. For him to say something crazy, it messed up a lot of our lives.

Julie: So after this, when you say the men left town? Yeah, like it, like the next day, like there were a bunch of them left like right away.

“Jamie”: They were gone. Yes. The next day.

Julie: So these are like people you spent years with. These were your closest friends, and almost overnight you lose your entire community.

“Jamie”: Oh yes. On top of this, everyone at IHOP is talking about it. Yeah. And just. They all know everything that has happened. And it’s just, it was crazy. It really was. And to this day, it still is. All the false stories that are out there.

Julie: It’s crazy. And yet you stayed. They did. So how many of the women ended up staying at IHOP on the call?

“Jamie”: Eight of the girls went through. What Prisoners of Hope had set up for us, which was we had like a mentor person we met with weekly one-on-one. We had Wednesday night theology slash. Deliverance nights if you wanna call ’em. But basically it’s not even deliver, it’s just this repenting of different things.

It’s like repenting of strongholds. And then we had inner healing sets that were once a week and then we also, IHOP paid for us to talk to the professional counselor who’s like a licensed. Counselor, but she was part of the ihop, she was like at ihop. You had her own little, she had her room there, but she was like a licensed counselor.

So we also went to her once a week. The inner healing sets, that, that was different timings for different people for when they ended. I was in it for a year and a half, and I think I was the longest one to actually go through the inner healing that long. Wednesday nights ended and the counseling ended.

Then two of the girls then left. And they went home to their families. Then three of the girls four, I’m so sorry, four of the girls graduated from IHOP U. They were a year above me. And, oh, I’m so sorry. Three of them. The other girl, she was, she fluctuated, so I don’t remember exactly what year, but she did.

And then another girl she was in, still in the IHOP community, but she started going to the college that was there, the, not the community one, but the other one. So and, but all the other girls stayed. Two of the girls ended up leaving to go become, I think counselors themselves.

So it ended up being just four of us who stayed. For a longer period of time. One guy actually came back for a conference and that really freaked me out. I like told security. I was like, one of the guys are back. I don’t know why they’re back. Like they’re back.

Julie: And so you feared the guys at this point?

“Jamie”: Oh yeah. Yes, I was. I was scared of the men. I was scared because to me and my friend. Is a murderer. He murdered one of my friends who was in this cult, and the guys were all extremely close. And then including when Tyler did his whole speech about leading up to Bethany. Committing suicide and how he included every single one of the men.

It made me believe that the men were all in it at some level, like they all knew something because they’re not discrediting Tyler and retelling of Bethany committing suicide. I never thought my life was in danger, but I never wanted to speak to any of the men again.

Julie: And the counseling, did you feel like, obviously you stayed at IHOP for Yeah.

Quite a while, so did you feel like it was helpful?

“Jamie”: Oh my gosh, yes. For me and my experience, yes. I actually did end up joining Prisoners of Hope. I was part of Prisoners of Hope. The team after everything, ’cause I had such a great experience. My trauma, in my life did not start with the cult. Do you know what I mean?

It’s like there’s a reason why the seat could be done, for me. So to be able to have these people come alongside of you and just. Walk you through your pain and your trauma about the cult and life. It was extremely healing for me. Like my family recognized the difference in me. They were like, you are so much happier.

And I know it has to do with the Lord and what he did with me. I was a baby believer. I was only saved for about a year before I moved to ihop. My whole entire Christian understanding and foundation was at ihop. That was what I knew as church. That was what I knew as community. There was so much good there.

There was, I know there’s also been talk about how like Prisoners of Hope was just like this awful group and I disagree. Would I say they were perfect new? I at a point in my walk of just realizing that no church is perfect, none and. You have to figure out what is just like human air and what is cult like? What is what’s the difference between the two? I do believe that Prisoners of Hope had our best mind, like for instance, like Katie Stern, who’s the leader of Prisoners of Hope, I believe. She’s still the leader of Prisoners of Hope. There was like a moment when you were like.

We should release their names of the people who were in the cult. That was something that was said of we should let everyone know, like in the leadership, so that people can come around them and support them and love them during this time. And Katie’s journey was like, do not do that. That will be traumatizing to them for their names to be released and her team.

They are broken people, like I’m not saying they’re not, I don’t even, I don’t even think they would claim it, but they had a heart for Jesus and a heart for people to get healing and to be restored and to be in their true identity in Christ. I would say I was an angry person. Inside. I was an angry person.

I had a lot of bitterness, a lot of anger, and they helped me. They gave me skills, they gave me understanding of what I could do to help me forgive, to be able to sit down with Jesus and be like. Be like, this is what’s going on. I got a lot of healing. And then to be very frank with you, like my husband and I even talk about it. We talk about how if I hadn’t had gotten my healing that I had gotten when I was at ihop, me and him probably would not have gotten married because I had. So much going on inside of me, and I have no problem acknowledging that to us. It’s just a beautiful testimony of Jesus, of how he led me through healing and brought me out on the other side.

Julie: You told me.

“Jamie”: Yeah. Do you want me to tell that story?

Julie: It’s a powerful story. Yeah.

“Jamie”: So for me, in my journey, it was my senior year. That she it actually had to do with Shelly. She had come back and it was only for a very short period of time. I could not tell you the exact date of when she came back, but I know she came back and it was for a very short period of time.

She came back and she was looking like fantastic, like she has gotten really healthy, like she was putting makeup on and she was dressing very nice. Her whole demeanor. Had changed and she was preaching this was at one of the student chapel for IHOP U so it was on a Thursday and she preached this sermon that you can’t know the sun fully unless you know your father.

When she said it, I was like, I knew in my soul. That I did not know this, but I also I also was struggling with if I’m saved or not, because how could I be saved and love the Lord and do these awful things? I had a very strong faith in God and I still do. The thing that was shaken was. Am I actually saved.

The reason why I was thinking this had to do with some of the theological things that Tyler taught. So there was a lot of also me deconstructing what is actually biblical. And I was like, father I don’t know you. And I was like, I wanna know you like that. Will you reveal, I didn’t even say, will you?

I was like, I need you to do this. I need you to do it. So that was Thursday. Then on Sunday, something about me is I love napping. I love napping, and it was Sunday and I was asleep. I was fully asleep, and I think I was dreaming, I don’t even know what I was dreaming, to be honest with you, but I woke up so I was awake on my couch, but.

I was unable to open my eyes and I was unable to move my body. And Jesus was, he was next to me and he was he’s really bright. He had fire all around him, like a, if you’re in the center of a tornado and. Like it’s all around, but it’s fire. But the fire has color in it and it was extremely powerful.

Like my physical human frame, couldn’t handle it. And if I was not frozen like that, I literally wanted to dig into the couch ’cause I could not handle. His glory, his power, his beauty. And he walked around the table and he sat down at the couch and when he sat down, I could feel the couch move and he was talking to me.

I couldn’t hear him. The storm of the fire, it was loud, but he was talking to me and I couldn’t hear him. And I was like, what? What? And in that moment, he reached out his left arm. I know this is gonna be hard for some eye hoppers because this is like from the song of Solomon. This is like something that is, is literally written in the Song of Solomon and that’s something that Mike preached from. But the truth is though, Jesus is the word. Jesus is the word, and he’s the word made flesh and that is him. So in this moment, Jesus reaches out his left arm and I. I see his skin, I see his forearm, and I’m, and I am, it’s in the middle of all of the, all of that power and glory, as a man, he is a man, and he’s gentle.

He’s kind, and he reached out his hand and he put it around my head and it quieted my head. And then he reached his arm. I don’t know how he did it. He’s God. But he reached into my stomach, into my soul, and he quieted my soul. And we were one. And he said to me, it is about lifting your face and talking to me.

And I was like, what? What? And he said it again to me and he said. It is about lifting your face. It’s so simple

and talking to me.

And then he he pulled his pulled his arms away. And he stood up and I felt the couch lift up and he left. And then I was able to open my eyes after that.

And I think that’s, something that a lot of people just need to know because it’s like, it’s so hard. It’s so hard in a. It’s so hard, it’s so painful. You’re so in a swirl of oh my gosh, what do I believe? Am I saved? Am I just all the things and it’s, and the lord’s it’s it’s just lifting your head.

And talking to him and it’s and that was so healing because in the cult, they’re like, you have to be, like this. And you have to be like that. And you have to do things a certain way, to be on the right path. I was really, a swirl. So to give an example of a way I can unequivocally say I got inner healing, I used to be suicidal, like I would have suicidal thoughts and that was pre getting saved.

And then when the cult happened, I was like, the suicidal thoughts all came back, and just couldn’t, I couldn’t handle, I couldn’t handle what was happening. And and it was one of those days that I was like, something happened and I wasn’t handling it and I put Jesus in a chair in my bedroom and I just let Jesus have it.

I was just grabbing things. I was being honest with Jesus. I was just throwing it at, it’s so bad. Releasing all the things I was feeling and I was really opening my heart. And I finally got to the point I like fully opened it because I was like telling him like, why did you let me be in this cult? Why did you do this?

Why did you let this happen? Not why’d you do it, ’cause it, this doesn’t. Jesus, do you put us through, bad things, right? But, and I called him a, if and when I did that, it was like I like, opened my heart up fully and then I was, he brought me to the foot of the cross front.

And he was on the cross and he said to me, I’ve been there for you through it all. I was there. I made a way for you to get through it all. And it was him on the cross and it just, it hit me. And it was just like he has taken all of my pain. He is taken all of my shame, he is taken all of my sins and took it from me on the cross so that I can be free.

And thing that’s mind boggling about all of this is that this has happened all after the call.

And being with me, me being in the cold, did it disqualify me? And he was so good

And he just held my hand through the healing and he, and it, I have a blessed life now. I.

He’s so kind to me, like Jesus to me, and I have these beautiful children, and if I hadn’t had gotten out of that cult, I wouldn’t have had this wonderful life.

And I just, there’s so many people at IHOP that.

They are struggling right now. And they’re hurting and they’re pain, and I just, I wanna bring them through the healing and help them to Jesus. But,

and I just wish, I wish Micah. Just tell the truth. I wish Tyler would just tell the truth. I wish Mike would just tell the truth because it’s the body. It’s caused us so much pain.

Julie: Do you think it will ever be resolved? Have you talked to police? Do you think it’s just gonna be a cold case forever or do you think

“Jamie”: I have talked to the police?

I’ve talked to the police twice. One was right after Micah had confessed probably within the first two weeks. And then recently I was motivated to go speak to them again just because I had heard that people that had been in the cult were not being open or willing to talk or something like that.

And I was like, oh my gosh. I’m like, I’ll talk. And then when I called, there was a miscommunication. They thought I had like new evidence. That would incriminate someone. And unfortunately I just did not have that information. But they were thankful, and kind to me. And he was very honest with me, the investigator.

He did say that he actually does not know. That he is not convinced that it was murder, but he also was not convinced that it was suicide. But it is an open case and I think that’s something that a lot of people forget when people are trying to get shelly and Allen to tell the truth of what happened and it’s like they can’t, like this is an open case.

This isn’t a closed case. You know what I mean? For me personally, I do not believe that I will know the truth of what happened to Bethany until I die. The only way I honestly think anything will change is if the men in the cult came. Forward and were completely honest and talked about everything, what they witnessed and what occurred and everything like that.

’cause I don’t believe they have, I even remember being told very early on when the Prisoners of Hope team was trying to reach out to the men, and the men like were not being cooperative. They did not want to talk to anyone. But I really don’t know though. I don’t know who the police have talked to. I am not one of the people that knows the depth of everything that happened.

Everyone keeps talking about Bethany, think about her family, It’s like I am a little girl. And they don’t know the truth of what happened to their daughter that, oh my gosh, it’s awful. And I, as, I think it’s what’s harmful is there’s so many people out there who don’t know what happened. And it’s are you thinking about her family?

You’re talking about their little girl.

I’m being honest, like some level I participated, and, affecting Bethany and I feel awful towards them. And I’m sorry if you’re, if they’re listening to me like, I’m sorry.

Their little girl. It was so upsetting when

people just think they know what happened and they’re just like, da, it’s let their family grieve and let them, process it. Oh.

Julie: Thank you.

“Jamie”: You are welcome.

Julie: Thank you for telling your story. I know it was traumatic for you to even go back into it, but I think you are the first person I’ve heard go public with a firsthand account of some of these things, and I with you hope and pray that the men who might know more would come forward.

But I think I have a lot more truth now. Since you’ve spoken, then we’ve had quite frankly, in what’s now 13 years. Yeah. And so thank you very much for being willing to do that, and just very grateful for also how the Lord has led your life and brought you to a much better place of healing and glad for that and for your family.

“Jamie”: And I hope this helps. I do hope this helps people because. I’ve always wanted to repent to eye hoppers.

I’ve always wanted to repent and just say I’m sorry because I know that what we did have real effect on people’s lives,

and I’m sorry. I am sorry for the pain that it caused you and the confusion and the anger and, I can’t take responsibility for how IHOP handled it, I’m just, I’m sorry.

Julie: I appreciate your heart. To own as much as you can, but at the same time, let’s put it back where it belongs.

Because Tyler

“Jamie”: Yeah.

Julie: From what you’re describing

“Jamie”: Yeah.

Julie: Perpetrated horrific abuse.

“Jamie”: Yeah.

Julie: And he used his power over people. Oh yeah. In very wicked, in evil ways. Yeah. At the end of the day I thought your point was well made that whether Bethany was murdered, whether she took her own life.

Whatever hands caused her to die.

“Jamie”: Yeah,

Julie: it was Tyler. Yeah. And manipulation behind it.

“Jamie”: Oh, hands down. Yes. Hands down.

Julie: Thanks so much for listening to this edition of the Roys report, and I wanna take a minute just to thank Jamie for courageously coming forward with her story. I know that wasn’t easy to do, but I think she dispelled a lot of myths about what happened.

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