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Dave Ramsey's $14.45 million home in the Nashville area.

Dave Ramsey Lists Nashville Home for $15.45 Million

By Jackson Elliott

Christian personal finance guru Dave Ramsey just listed his mountain mansion near Nashville for $15.45 million.

The six-bedroom mountain view estate commands 14.38 fenced-in acres with vacant lots on all sides, according to the Redfin property listing. Ramsey is selling the home with 14,000 square feet of living space, fully furnished. 

The home’s luxury features include three staircases, five fireplaces, an elevator, its own private water source, and an advanced air filtration system. The property has nine bathrooms, including one with a reported 18 shower heads.

The outside of the house is as palatial as the inside, with 6,000 square feet of covered outdoor space. Its features include patios, porches, and terraces. Its driveway encircles a fountain and connects to three garages with space for eight cars. For entertainment, it has an infinity-edge pool and spa, as well as several other entertaining spaces. The house is strategically placed so its residents can watch the sunset from the pool in the back.

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The view from the pool at Dave Ramsey’s home at sunset.

Brentwood-based Capital Realty Group, led by Ramsey’s son-in-law Winston Cruze, has the listing, according to the Nashville Business Journal.

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Ramsey Solutions spokeswoman Megan McConnell told the Business Journal that Ramsey and his wife Sharon plan to build on land they own south of the city.

The Ramseys paid nearly $1.6 million in cash for the property in 2008, Realtor.com reported, following the debt-avoidance philosophy of Ramsey-owned financial counseling firm Ramsey Solutions and Financial Peace University.

Ramsey Solutions, one of the largest employers in Williamson County, Tennessee, employs over 800 people. Dave Ramsey hosts the third-largest radio talk show in America, The Ramsey Show, heard by more than 14 million listeners each week on more than 600 radio stations.

Lately, Ramsey has been the focus of controversy for allegedly bullying employees, exerting a “cultlike” control over them, and flagrantly violating COVID-19 precautions. 

Ramsey also made controversial comments on-air about stimulus checks. If $600 or $1,400 changes someone’s life, they are “screwed already,” Ramsey said to Fox News.

Realtor.com pegs Ramsey’s net worth as $475 million. His books have made The New York Times’ best seller list

Jackson ElliottJackson Elliott is a Christian journalist trained at Northwestern University. He has worked at The Daily Signal, The Inlander, and The Christian Post, covering topics ranging from D.C. politics to prison ministry. His interests include the Bible, philosophy, theology, Russian literature, and Irish music.

Anne Stych of MinistryWatch also contributed to this report.

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71 thoughts on “Dave Ramsey Lists Nashville Home for $15.45 Million”

  1. Its difficult to see opulance like this from Christian leaders. Surely he’s been to Haiti and the breath-taking poverty there. Juxtaposing this a display of this kind of wealth against the incredible needs our churchs have world-wide makes one wonder if the Ramsey’s of the world have submitted their wealth to God. I find it difficult to believe God would call someone to live this lifestyle.

    1. Looking at the comments section, I can see soo many people felt SO RIGHTEOUS in judging others. I see it as being envious. Other than the reports of bullying which is a separate issue, Ramsey is in money making business advising others to get out of debt. Though he spoke of his Christian faith, if you listen, he never brag about being a spiritual leader.

      I wish people learn to listen and slow to judge others. The sad reality of todays Christianity.

    2. I have nothing to say as he has earned it so he is entitled to it I suppose. It’s not as if he is a church leader and he is a businessman. Not a charity

      Kudos to him

  2. Where your treasure is ……
    Why this desire to live in “palaces” ?
    and yet my modest home would be a castle to someone ….Father help us treasure YOU wholeheartedly

  3. Julie, you know how I feel about spiritual leaders and ostentatious lifestyles. However, there are other factors to consider. One of the most important other factors is how much of a person’s wealth does one give away. Where will his wealth be designated when he dies? Who can Ramsey influence because of his wealth? I don’t think we have to go after every rich Christian who’s out there. The bullying is a different matter, and that often comes with great wealth. At the same time, maybe Dave is just trying to get the best out of his employees when he knows they can do better. There are a lot of snowflakes out there who blubber when someone raises his voice. To snowflakes I say, “GET OVER IT!”

    1. There are a lot of justifcations there, PastorDaveJ. Perhaps you haven’t read the reports of his bullying; they indicated more than just raising one’s voice. And none of these actions fit with biblical guidelines of how we are to treat each other. You forgot to defend his comment made on Fox though: if the stimulus checks change someone’s life, they’re “screwed already.” I don’t see much compassion there, and it can’t all be blamed on people not having taken Ramsey’s financial advice. Could he live on the wages many are forced to? And what does he have to say to the many who lost their jobs due to the pandemic, especially to those families who had both parents lose their jobs? I just don’t see much compassion in these actions and words.

      1. I don’t know anyone who is “forced” to live on a certain wage. In this country we have the opportunity to change anything we want to change about living. It may be more difficult for some than others, but we still all have the opportunity to try.

    2. Satan I am sure loves PastorDave’s reasoning. Never mind: “But if we have food and clothing, we will be content with these. Those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil. By craving it, some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many sorrows.” – Paul Tim. 6:8

      We all know that Jesus died so that one total jerk in Ramsey could make a half of billion dollars off of sheep! I hear the sounds of baaing off in the distance…

      1. When exactly are people sheep? He never called himself a spritual leader. He is just a financial advisor who is a Christian man in business.

        He never called himself everything after that. If people choose to call him that! Then it is to their own chargrim!.

        People run businesses to.make money.

        No.matter how I feel about storing up treasures, we cant argue with him and his assets

        If we going to measure successful christians using the yardstick applied to Dave, are we going to.include the Joseph fellow who buried Jesus and Chip and Joanna Gaines?

        Not everyone is bad if they dont do a Fanny Crosby with their money.

  4. What is the purpose of your articles about Christians in big houses? Are you trying to create envy? Are you trying to create a class divide among Christians? Dave Ramsey runs a very successful business. If I were as rich as he is, I probably wouldn’t choose to spend my millions on a huge dream house like this, but what if I did? Is Dave not giving money to the poor, or supporting a church? (I don’t know, I’m asking you.)

    I have a close relative who has never managed money well. He has often gone into debt and run up huge credit card bills. This habit has destroyed several promising relationships. Then an employer told him he needed to take Dave Ramsey’s course. The principles he learned from Dave have completely changed his lifestyle and his view of money. He is quickly paying off his debts and is now in a happy relationship, and a regular job. All I can say is: thank you, Dave Ramsey, and I don’t care what size house you live in. You have helped thousands of people get on the right course (which includes learning to tithe).

  5. So what? And your point is?
    The man has built one of the most successful radio network in the country.
    Too bad Solomon isn’t around, you could go after him.
    Publishing this article is really, really weak Julie. Raise your game, please.

  6. Sadly Julie this is another article that shows you are off base and your team needs better direction. I know many wealthy Christian families around the country….are you going to do a report on their lifestyle & assets as well. Are you trying to make people envy or guilt your targets? Has your team instead considered how well these families are using their assets to impact kingdom building. What is the point? I have wealthy families who may choose to live and spend their monies in many ways, yet at the same time they are giving away 30-40-50% of their income to ministry and other foundations. I regularly send people to Ramsey’s courses because they help people change, create new priorities for a lifetime. Please use your ministry to wisely inform, not chase after your latest target ie MacArthur, Ramsey.

      1. “It’s just information… nothing wrong with reporting information.” That same logic could be applied to informing the Chinese government of secret house church meetings.

  7. This is not news to restore the church. It is character assignation.

    Would you like a list of the tens of thousands of Christian businessmen and women who live in homes at this level or more around the world? I know a good number of them and they give huge percentages of their wealth to Christian ministries. They also have ministries to people most of us cannot reach. May I ask why you singled Dave Ramsey out? Perhaps because you are currently reporting on the business he runs? When you run a story like this on your blog one must assume that you are making a moral judgement. And I fully believe that you are and I ask why.

    So I have a few questions.
    What is an acceptable or unacceptable home price for a believer to live in and who is charged with making that judgement?
    Do you know how much Dave gives away each year? My guess is that his percentage would put many readers of this blog to shame.
    Do not all of us have the freedom under God to make financial decisions in line with His teaching and one’s income? I challenge you to cite Scripture that you think David is violating. I can cite several that I think you are violating with this story on this blog.
    Are you making a moral judgement of Dave’s character? If so what is it specifically?

    It saddens me to see reporting like this. It feeds the many professional critics in the church and it sets you up as the judge of another’s lifestyle. I am very disappointed.

      1. Meanings are people, not words. You, Julie, are not the judge of what your words mean, it’s the message they send to the hearer’s ears!

        1. By that measure, you could attach any meaning you want to articles. There is an objective way of evaluating articles, which we learned in journalism school. Don’t state opinion, use adjectives judiciously, etc… Please don’t read meaning into articles that isn’t there.

          1. Julie, I think most of us are aware that your blog takes aim at Christian leaders who you feel abuse their power. You have targeted Dave on a number of articles, how can you assert that this article has no judgement or meaning? You seem savvy enough to understand the impressions people will get when they read this, just look at the comments to get an idea…

            You are wise, and I believe a gifted journalist, but you are also vulnerable to the same pride you see in these men. I say this with humility Julie.

          2. Julie, the proof that this is not just meant to be “news” and nothing else can be found in the replies. The majority of replies assume you had a motive in writing this and they say what is the point?

            The minority of replies assume that you had a motive in writing this and “agree” that Dave is wrong.

            You cannot hide behind the words that you are simply reporting facts with no other motivation. Yours is a blog that speaks to bad things in the church. Not just any “news.”

            If you truly believe there is no moral statement here, none of those commenting do.

    1. CRYING FROM THE MOUNTAIN

      YIKES Thomas ! Who are you? and why would you think that your questions mean anything?
      They look and feel like defending deflection in a really big way AND then you are “CHALLENGING me to cite (what are you, the world?, who talks like that ?) Scripture that I think Dave is violating”
      Where in Julie’s article does there say anything about “violating scripture ?” IT IS LIKE YOU HAVE MADE UP BOTH SIDES OF THE FIGHT AND THAT YOU ARE DOING THE ” character assignation” ( YOU SPELT THAT WRONG BUT JULIE WAS GRACIOUS TO YOU IN HER REPLY) both of the article and it’s writer.
      YIKES ! you’re a weeny for that (and your questions)

      “It saddens me to see reporting like this. It feeds the many professional critics in the church and it sets you up as the judge of another’s lifestyle. I am very disappointed.”

      Wow really? You are actually sad ? Get over it big guy ! And now it seems that you know about “feeding professional critics in the church” Wow really? You mean to say that there are people being paid (cuz that is what a professional is) IN the church to criticize ? I really would of thought that they would be outside of the church but hey maybe you know better. Sets you up as the judge? I’m pretty sure that you are mistaken on this one and as far as YOUR disappointment goes……. well …. we’re all disappointed that you’re disappointed (not really)

      Now here’s a good scripture for the rest of us concerning giving FROM OUR ABUNDANCE

      “And he looked up, and saw the rich men casting their gifts into the treasury. And he saw also a certain poor widow casting in thither two mites. And he said, OF A TRUTH I say unto you, that this poor widow hath CAST IN MORE than they all: FOR ALL THESE HAVE OF THEIR ABUNDANCE cast in unto the offerings of God: but she of her penury hath cast in all the living that she had.” Luke 21:1-4

      I would suppose that there are some that would need to give it ALL away to be right in their heart towards Him
      Fool us? Yup , fool Him? Nope

    2. Never mind anything that Jesus actual said about riches or His apostles. Jesus died so that that rude and arrogant men would eventually become ridiculously wealthy off of selling what should be free advice to sheep. Jesus never talked about camels going through the eyes of needles. He never talked about religious hypocrites who loved money. And the Bible praises these jerks and encourages us all to be just like them, does it not! But whose Bible is that anyway? The one I read, the most positive thing you will find is to encourage the rich not to trust in in their uncertain riches. Everything else it says is highly negative like how will any of these people actually enter God’s Kingdom?

  8. Dear sensitive Ramsey defenders,

    I don’t see anything in the article attacking or judging Ramsey about his house or wealth. Do you?

    I see facts presented. Do you dispute any of the facts?

    This is public information, and we are all free to interpret the facts as we see fit.

    Ramsey should be thankful for the free advertisement to help sell his mansion.

    Maybe fellow bully and empire-builder MacArthur is in the market for one.

    1. Nothing in the story attacks Ramsey, but the tweet introducing the story did. I’m afraid I can’t get heated up about this one. He’s not buying mansions with people’s tithes and offerings; he’s running a business. He might be a jerk, and his Christianity might or might not be real, but he has the right to live in a mansion if he wants to.

      1. The tweet had a little fun, quoting Ramsey, who often says, “If you will live like no one else, later you can live like no one else.” What’s wrong with that? I would think Ramsey would be proud to be a model of what he teaches.

      2. R — regarding your comment “He’s not buying mansions with people’s tithes and offerings.”

        A key component to his “business” is going to churches and telling congregations they need to increase their giving to 10%. Those churches then turn around and kick up to Dave Ramsey. In the New Testament, he would be known as one of the tax collectors.

        He may have a “right” to do this and live in the biggest house he can find, and we have every right to talk about his little empire and how it is the exact opposite of what Jesus said to do.

  9. I respect your work so much Julie & you do great honest journalism that has been helping restore the church. This article doesn’t seem to fall in line with that goal. It has no journalistic story nor even clear direction on the matter, it was confusing the point of it. Is it about Christianity & wealth or more on Dave Ramsey? You’re other articles exposing his bullying & what is going on inside his organization are important & journalism worthy. But this piece not only doesn’t contribute, it starts to read more like a gossip column or an episode from the “life of the rich and famous “.

    1. CRYING FROM THE MOUNTAIN

      Well Disappointed we are all disappointed that you are disappointed…… (not really)
      I’m pretty sure that you are fully capable of not reading the article AND not commenting on it as well and in doing so you have made us all disappointed ……..(again)
      P.S. How do you know ” it starts to read more like a gossip column ” ? Oooooops that can only mean that you read about gossip !!!! BTW it is ” Lifestyles ” not life……….. speaking of LIFE: I hear this isn’t THE ONE!

  10. As Micaiah noted, there was no criticism of Ramsey in the article but perhaps the sensitivity comes from the fact that the New Testament DOES actually have something to say about wealth and opulent living:

    Mt 6:19 – 21, 24
    Luke 12:33-34
    Colossians 3:5
    1 Jn 2:15
    James 5:1-5

    No matter how long and loud we in the American church say it, the New Testament does NOT anywhere excuse an opulent lifestyle.

    I don’t pretend to know Dave’s eternal destiny; that is between him and his Master, but I do see Christian Scriptures plainly teaching that our treasure will either testify for or against us. If we store up treasure in Heaven through sacrificially caring for the needy, our works will so speak. And if we have hoarded up treasure on earth, our treasure will testify against us.

    It is always interesting to me when fellow Christians object to fruit inspection. If there is nothing wrong with living extravagantly, no one should care if that fruit is exposed.

    But, whether we admit it or not, we know the truth of what the Lord and His apostles taught on this topic.

    1. Thank you SBS! Not everyone wants to embrace the truth of scripture and therefore forsake the God of our culture, success and pleasure. Im very thankful for the thousands of pastors and leaders who lead by example a lifestyle like most of us. There are many and their legacy lives on for generations, not just a season of popularity and success. Such are the apostles….

    2. To SBS

      Nothing in these texts says anything about the kind of house you live in. It does talk about one’s relationship with money, and generosity. Your proof texts don’t wash. Nor do you know David’s relationship with money.

      90 percent of our planet lives on 10,000 dollars a year or less. I suppose that any of the homes we live in would invite criticism from them by these standards. I challenge you to answer the questions in my prior answer.

      1. CRYING FROM THE MOUNTAIN

        Thomas I was wondering if we could do an article on you ? You seem like a very interesting individual with a lot of talent concerning certain subjects, Could you get your people to call my people and we’ll get it all set up
        perhaps Tuesday ? Morning or afternoon? Thanks

        1. Why the need for sarcasm? This is a dialogue. There is no need to shut it down with snide comments just because you don’t agree.

          1. CRYING FROM THE MOUNTAIN

            Who says I don’t agree , I think you’re an awesome individual (hence the article )

      2. Weak reasoning Thomas, Jesus never spoke directly about abortion, same sex attraction and many other things but we can infer from what he said about other topics to get an idea what his desire would be. Yes my apartment is larger than most of the world’s but your comparing apples to oranges. Mr Ramsey’s home is still much larger than most American homes and even a lot of wealthy people. Is it a sin, I don’t know and really I believe that would be between Mr Ramsey and God. Is it good stewardship and a good testimony to list people, IMHO no, but he has the freedom in Christ to live that way I guess. To be truthful, I am very disappointed in Mr. Ramsey’s recent behavior if accurate.

  11. I agree with the criticism of Christian leaders living the high life – are we really one family with believers all around the world, or not? I also agree that he is not the best target of such criticisms as his wealth came from business rather than donations from the faithful, but still his example leaves much room for improvement.

  12. The article says he bought the house for 1.6 million. For someone whose net worth is reportedly 475 million, that amount doesn’t seem unreasonable to me. No doubt he got a good deal because he bought it in 2008 and was able to pay cash (in accordance with his own financial principles). He would have gotten a lot less house for that price if he bought at a different time and place, and then perhaps we wouldn’t be questioning him so much. I’m no financial guru, but buying a house for cash that you can sell 13 years after you buy it, for 10x the purchase price, seems like pretty smart money management.

    1. Correction- I thought this article meant he bought the house plus land for 1.6 mil. Read elsewhere that he bought the land for 1.6 mil then built the house. If that is correct then this wasn’t the great investment I thought, it’s just a rich guy built a mansion and now he’s selling it.

  13. Seriously….Ramsey is not a pastor. Hes a businessman. And evidently a good one. Dave Ramsey does not set himself up as a theologian! So I dont believe he deserves the same level of scrutiny. I personally dont give a flip if he lives high.

  14. On The Other Hand

    There is also the more modest, not slick, older ministry, without a charismatic leader & tv-personality, that originally helped Dave Ramsey get out of debt, Crown Ministries International:

    https://www.crown.org/

    Might be worth a look as an alternative. It’s Dave Ramsay without the bluster, gold-platedness, megalomania, and drama.

    1. Not only that, but you can also buy several of Larry Burkett’s old books from reseller websites. He was one of the founding partners of Crown Financial Ministry, is that correct? Anyway, the principles he taught in his books about biblical money management are still pretty much the same. And don’t cost as much as the Dave Ramsey products.

  15. Abigail (above) may not care about Mr Ramsey’s living high, but the Lord cares a great deal about it, because wealth – in and of itself – is often a snare to the brethren.

    If Mr Ramsey is promoting himself within the Church; using Christians to become rich by selling his products to them; and is publicly known to be a Christian – but is visibly living an opulent lifestyle – that brings the gospel into disrepute. If this is the case, then it would be better for him to separate his interests from Lord Jesus’ interests, so as not to tarnish the gospel with his own drive to accumulate. To be publicly known as a Christian – but to be living in ostentatious wealth – brings opprobrium from outsiders upon the Church, and sets a bad example to young disciples, by validating luxurious living – something which the New Testament repeatedly condemns.

    At the end of the day, Lord Jesus and the Apostle Paul had no homes of their own. They were itinerant preachers/pastors, so their lives were clearly different from the average C21 settled, employed pastor with a wife and family. However, the general tendency of the gospel is clearly to challenge luxury (which the Catholics have periodically regarded as one of the seven deadly sins) and to encourage us to be content with our daily bread. This contentment flows from one of the ‘seven virtues’ – temperance – which covers modesty of living, absence of luxury and self-restraint. This is a challenge for every generation of Christians. We are all to say ‘no’ to worldliness.

    From what I can see, many American Christians who attend non-denominational churches are struggling with this particular discipleship challenge. A better understanding of church history would be helpful, for many. For example, Catholic monks, nuns and priests still take vows of poverty, chastity and obedience. In the past, when they entered their monasteries or convents, they sometimes had to give any worldly goods they possessed to the Church, which grew ever-richer over the centuries, of course… This practice may still apply.

    Anyway, the more that we give up for Christ, the closer He draws to us, repaying us for our sacrifices with more of His presence. The opposite is also true: He moves away from those who displease Him.

    Proverbs 28:20
    A faithful man will abound with blessings, but one eager to be rich will not go unpunished.

    Matthew 6:19
    Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal.

    Matthew 13:22
    The seed sown among the thorns is the one who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke the word, and it becomes unfruitful.

    James 5:5
    You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence.

    Running a business and employing many hundreds of people is a good thing in so many ways – it would seem to me, at least. However, these things do need to be kept separate from the work of the Kingdom, if Kingdom values concerning modesty of lifestyle are not going to be upheld.

    1. CRYING FROM THE MOUNTAIN

      Thank you ALTHEA T-H , I learned a new word from you too:
      op•pro•bri•um ə-prō′brē-əm►
      n. Disgrace arising from exceedingly shameful conduct; ignominy.
      n. Scornful reproach or contempt.
      n. A cause of shame or disgrace.

      I am also reminded of Mat 4:8-9

      Again, THE DEVIL taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and SHEWETH HIM ALL THE KINGDOMS
      of the world, AND THE GLORY OF THEM ;
      And saith unto him, ALL THESE THINGS WILL I GIVE THEE , IF thou wilt fall down and worship me.

      I would kindly suggest that somebody , somewhere has somehow managed to BOW DOWN in order to attain and
      I’m certainly not speaking of just Mr. Ramsey alone , am I ravi? james mc? Hence the type of fruit that is being seen and experienced …… by the way SOME OF THE ROTTEN FRUIT is easier to spot quite quickly ……… while other
      ROTTEN FRUIT TAKES A BIT OF TIME (maybe years) BECAUSE IT IS ROTTING FROM THE INSIDE OUT…..
      The end result is still the same though….. IT’S ROTTEN !!
      Dear Few, don’t be deceived

  16. So how much should Dave spend on a home according to those of you that criticize the value of his home? There are some estimates that say his net worth is $200 million, but that is likely on the low side. At $200 million, his home is about 7.7% of his net worth. That is like someone with a $1 million net worth owning a home worth $77k.

    1. Warren Buffett’s 5 bed/2.5 bathroom home is estimated to be 0.001% of his net worth.

      At the end of the day, this question is a bit of a red herring. The gospel and the accumulation of wealth are mutually-exclusive – as far as Lord Jesus is concerned, anyway (“You cannot serve both God and mammon” etc.).

      People who can’t avoid accumulating much wealth (through business prowess, etc.) will do well to place ALL OF IT at the Lord Jesus’ disposal – for the sake of their eternal souls – especially if the source of such wealth happens to come from the flock’s pockets…

  17. Perhaps the issue isn’t so much what Ramsey does with his money, but what message the church sends when they promote him. He definitely has some good things to say, but so did Bill Cosby. I’m content to let his personal choices be between him and God. But at the same time, we must be very clear about how Jesus describes successful living and what that looks like.

      1. CRYING FROM THE MOUNTAIN

        Yes and the devil has plenty of “good things” to say too….. like… “why don’t you let me help you”” , “ya know you could …. “Hey , why don’t you…… ” that ____ would look really good ON you” or “you would look really good IN that _____ ” etc etc etc etc etc ………

        1 John 2:16

        ” For ALL THAT IS IN THE WORLD, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and THE PRIDE OF LIFE,
        IS NOT OF THE FATHER, but is of the world.”

  18. Where’s the Beef??? Julie posts an article devoid of judgment or opinion & it strikes a nerve. Why? Simply google Mr. Ramsey & related articles abound. To my knowledge Mr. Ramsey does not advertise his show as christian; it’s simply carried on “christian stations”.

    Further more, to my knowledge Mr. Ramsey’s broadcast is not based on charity or donations. It appears to be a secular program that throws in a little bible. IMHO it appears to be good ole fashion “Western, Rush, Capitalist Christianity”.

    Who’s to say how much is too much?? Jesus emphasized money is that 11 of the 39 parables. We should all read & take heed. In the end, Mr. Ramsey, like U & I must give an account for things done in the body. Thankfully Jesus wears the robe, not me…

    1. I find it interesting that Julie is defensive with those who criticized her for writing this, but took no offense at those who criticized Ramsey in spite of saying this was simply just news. I have yet to see Julie say she is wrong. Hubris by those she reports on and hubris by the one who reports on them. In the end, hubris is hubris.

      1. Thomas, please check the author of this objective news article, the content of which has been reported by multiple news outlets. Are you complaining to all of them too for publishing a news article?

        Unlike the news article, commenters here are free to state their opinion about the article, hopefully for thoughtful interaction, the pursuit of truth, and God’s glory. We can all discuss the facts of the article, and you can support Ramsey all you like, while others can do the opposite.

        You can even continue to attack the character of journalists if you want, as many abusive, small-minded people do when they don’t like the news and can’t deal with facts, but please strongly reevaluate if this makes any sense.

        In this case, I see absolutely no reason for Ms. Roys or anyone associated with The Roys Report to apologize or admit being wrong about this news article.

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