A Florida megachurch of more than 6,000 attendees is mourning the deaths of six members who died of COVID-19 in the last 10 days, while also hosting free vaccine clinics.
Four of the six were under 35 years old and healthy before contracting the pandemic disease, The Washington Post reported today. All six who died were not vaccinated. And Pastor George L. Davis told the Post he felt for their families and knew “these people would still be here had they gotten the shot.”
On Sunday, Impact Church in Jacksonville hosted free opportunities to receive vaccination after each of its three worship services.
More than 250 people were vaccinated during Sunday’s clinics, and just over a third were teens, the church announced on social media. A number of attendees told Davis they decided to receive the vaccine mainly because the church was backing the move.
The vaccination drive’s success followed an earlier drive the church hosted in March, when about 800 church members were vaccinated.
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The nondenominational church’s push comes as Florida’s tally of active COVID-19 cases has risen to record heights. Yesterday, about a quarter of the state’s hospital beds, including four in nine ICU beds, were occupied by someone with COVID-19, NPR reported.
More than 95% of Florida’s hospitalized COVID-19 patients aren’t fully vaccinated, according to the Florida Hospital Association, and patients are younger on average than they were during previous peaks of COVID-19 hospitalization. Very few this time are coming from nursing homes or long-term care facilities.
Impact Church members who have hesitated to get vaccinated have held off for a variety of reasons, Davis said. Some had fallen for misinformation or simply thought COVID-19 was not a big risk for them. But others didn’t trust government and public health officials who urged them to get the vaccine, he explained.
Many had refused to visit a government-run vaccine clinic near the church. Davis said such public outreaches have faltered in part because the faith community is about three-fourths Black.
When members hear about government-operated health initiatives, they think of the Tuskegee Study, a decades-long experiment by the U.S. Public Health Service in which life-saving syphilis treatment was withheld from Black men, without their knowledge, to see how the disease progressed.
But for Davis, who’s also Black, vaccination represents life-saving prevention being offered to his parishioners. He describes the COVID-19 vaccines as a miracle and believes God guided the scientists who developed them to fight the deadly viral disease.
So, in addition to implementing measures recommended by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Davis has also encouraged his flock to get vaccinated and has discussed COVID-19 vaccines on social media.
He compared vaccines to the treatments his daughter received after she was diagnosed with sickle cell disease. As an infant, she wasn’t expected to live long, he told the Post. He and his wife, also a senior pastor at Impact Church, fasted and prayed for healing for two years while they also researched treatments that could help her.
Their daughter is now 19 and has received a bone-marrow transplant.
“The miracle is no less of a miracle if medical science has to kick in to finish it off,” Davis told the Post. “For me, that’s a little bit of a turning point, because I’ve seen God do it with no medical help up until a point and then finish it off with medical help. And that’s what I [see] in this virus, too.”
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So glad for Pastor George L. Davis’ response to this.
Hopefully it won’t take too many more stories like this for others to sober up to the realities of the COVID virus and the efficacy of the vaccines.
Why do people want to spread misinformation? The article below explains that it’s profitable to spread misinformation and even the the gullible to buy “natural cures” and other supplement-type scams.
https://slate.com/technology/2021/08/givesendgo-gofundme-vaccine-skeptics-covid-misinformation.html
It is indeed sad that a congregation lost six people under any circumstance. I can’t imagine how sad the grieving families and friends must feel.
Anyone remember the movie Contagion years ago, about a fictional pandemic?
The above WAS the motivation of the personification of “The Second Pandemic” (the mis/disinformation accompanying the main pandemic) who was pushing a miracle herbal cure called “Forsythia” on all the social media channels of the time. He was making lotsa money from selling Forsythia(TM), the sure cure THEY did not want you to know.
Wonderful to hear an account of a pastor who is acting responsibly and using his influence to protect his flock!
Thanks for this story.
The pastor is a traitor. The vaccines do not work. They are designed to injure and kill you. More vaccines equals more Covid19. Here’s proof. Six people tested positive for Covid19 (4 adults; 2 minors) on a Royal Caribbean cruise ship. Passengers who are 16 or older are required to be vaccinated if they want to board. This is just one example.
https://abcnews.go.com/Travel/wireStory/people-test-positive-covid-19-caribbean-cruise-79170790
According to Robert Malone (mRNA inventor), the Israeli government and Pfizer reached an agreement to hide vaccine side effects for ten years.
https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/mrna-inventor-pfizer-israel-agreement-to-hide-side-effects-for-10-years/
Gibraltar and Iceland, which are two of the most highly vaccinated countries in the world, are experiencing a resurgence of Covid.
https://qz.com/2044284/icelands-rising-covid-19-cases-demonstrate-vaccine-efficacy/
https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2021/07/19/gibraltar-tightens-rules-as-covid-19-cases-continue-to-rise/
There will be more lockdowns and mask mandates. The chief epidemiologist of Iceland, Torolfur Goodnason, said he cannot rule out that the recently re-imposed restrictions on COVID-19 may become necessary for up to 15 years.
Wake up!
“Here’s proof. Six people tested positive for Covid19 (4 adults; 2 minors) on a Royal Caribbean cruise ship. Passengers who are 16 or older are required to be vaccinated if they want to board.”
The failure of people to understand the difference between 94% and 100% (in terms of vaccine effectiveness) is a sad testament to the state of education in the U.S. and/or to the degree to which politicized conspiracy theories have hijacked the minds of many Americans. Including Christians, who of all people should be avoiding such falsehoods.
Funny how people like this commenter are very selective in the statistics they quote, omitting the fact that 99% or so of Covid deaths these days are among the unvaccinated. For hospitalizations I think it is something like 97%.
The commenter also apparently didn’t read the article about Iceland they linked to, which says:
“Iceland provides a case study for how an effective vaccine rollout perhaps doesn’t guarantee herd immunity but prevents hospitalizations and deaths.”
There will indeed probably be more vaccines and mask mandates — and if so it will be the fault of people failing to get vaccinated (which among other things has allowed the more contagious Delta variant to get a foothold and spread). And that is largely the fault of people parroting lies that circulate on social media, on alt-right websites (and a few left-wing ones), etc.
Al Harvey, Covid vaccines don’t work!
“Israel’s Health Ministry only 39 per cent effective in protecting against infection in the period of June-July in comparison to 95 per cent during January to April, the New York Times reported.”
https://theprint.in/health/israel-govt-data-shows-pfizer-vaccines-efficacy-could-be-diminishing-in-preventing-infection/702187/
You mentioned conspiracy theory. Here’s one for you. Unvaccinated people will not be allowed to be evacuated from an island in case of an emergency, e.g. an erupting volcano which threatens the lives of people. Oh wait, that already happened.
https://www.businessinsider.co.za/st-vincent-volcano-cruise-ship-evacuation-only-for-vaccinated-2021-4?r=US&IR=T
Let’s try another one. Unvaccinated people will not be allowed into gyms, restaurants and indoor entertainment venues. No… that is happening in New York.
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/08/03/business/new-york-city-vaccine-requirements/index.html
One more. The president of Philippines will threaten unvaccinated people with arrests and jail time. My word, that happened as well.
https://nypost.com/2021/06/22/duterte-threatens-to-jail-those-who-refuse-covid-19-vaccine/
It’s almost like the conspiracy theories become true.
Kenin – Take a look at the last paragraph in the Iceland article you cited:
“ Iceland provides a case study for how an effective vaccine rollout perhaps doesn’t guarantee herd immunity but prevents hospitalizations and deaths.”
To me that (preventing hospitalizations and deaths) is a pretty good outcome. To be fair with the stats, the sample size of the population is quite small with the # of deaths barely passing triple digits. Probably not good numbers to extrapolate gives the genetic diversity in the US and the rest of the world.
I fully understand the skepticism surrounding almost anything our federal, state, and local governments are attempting to implement within the population at large in our country. Clearly, our lawmakers and government officials, as a whole, have not given the citizens of our country any reason to trust them. Pres. Ronald Reagan is quoted as saying “if someone from the government shows up at your front door and says I’m here to help you, slam the door shut and run!” However, in this instance of the Covid pandemic, I believe that discernment and sound judgment should prevail in our population. I can only speak from my own experience, of course, but I believe that the vaccine is safe and effective in fighting the Covid virus, along with the protocols that have been put in place, i.e. masks and social distancing. I know that there is much dissension and confusion over the masking protocol and that many believe they are ineffective and unnecessary along with much confusion over this as well. Personally, I lean toward the discerning factor of erring on the side of caution. In any event, I would encourage everyone who is not vaccinated to do so as quickly as possible and to do it without fear or hesitancy. I can only say from my own conclusions that in this case, the goodwill of our government has at least some reliable platform of taking care of their citizens.
Kenin,
I don’t think he’s necessarily a traitor in the truest sense of the word (his heart is prob good) but he’s definitely succumbed to menticide just like the rest of those who are in the cult of covid believers. This war of psychosis has been in the making for many decades since the USA has always had a second amendment making it very difficult to conquer via kinetic warfare. Rome supposedly fell from internal strife, and the same is happening to the USA via the plandemic.
The real pandemic is a disease of the mind.
“The masses have never thirsted after truth. They turn aside from evidence that is not to their taste, preferring to deify error, if error seduce them. Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master; whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim”
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fdzW-S8MwbI
That sars cov2 has never been properly purified and isolated from a soup of other items is the critical underlying issue of this entire scam. Courts from all over the world have proven no one has any such isolate, and substantial rewards for providing such an isolate remain unclaimed.
Furthermore, even if one existed this does not prove statistical causality between the supposed illness and the isolate. Months of careful double blind testing and studies would have to be conducted. No such experiment exists. Not for any virus for that matter. Computer generated genomic sequences don’t prove statistical causality.
Scientists of over fifty years ago like Richard Feynman warned us about this dark side to science, and how it would deceive even the most intelligent among us.
“Then a way of avoiding the disease was discovered. This is to doubt that what is being passed from the past is in fact true, and to try to find out ab initio again from experience what the situation is, rather than trusting the experience of the past in the form in which it is passed down. And that is what science is: the result of the discovery that it is worthwhile rechecking by new direct experience, and not necessarily trusting the [human] race[‘s] experience from the past. I see it that way. That is my best definition.”
http://www.feynman.com/science/what-is-science/
He also said:
“I would rather have questions that can’t be answered than answers that can’t be questioned.”
It so easy to see the psychosis at work especially when the sociopathic liars in charge of health don’t allow open forums of Q&A to assure the public that they are prescribing the right course of action. Instead they use fear via the media, make unquestionable demands, fine those in contempt, and threaten to pull the licenses of the MD’s who publicly disagree.
Good grief, Kenin. By all evidence of his life and commitments, Richard Feynman would have gotten the vaccine. He loved science and understood it, while your posts evidence clearly that you do not.
Here are some words from Feynman that you might take some time to carefully consider:
“The first principle is that you must not fool yourself – and you are the easiest person to fool.”
Would you provide evidence of purification/isolation and trials of causation, Lea?
Multiple reports on isolation of the virus, including its entire genome sequence, are readily available by searching articles published in actual medical journals, Kenin. That’s how science works.
Unsurprisingly, these are not much talked about on the random internet sites of those who promote “individual expression” about child abuse, which you offered up as a reliable source of medical advice in a previous thread.
I would encourage you to visit your local hospital and discuss your theories with the physicians there. Ask them about their COVID-19 patients, and how many are unvaccinated.
Lea, with that type of response I’m not sure you read and understood the link I provided about Feynman. He said:
“Another of the qualities of science is that it teaches the value of rational thought as well as the importance of freedom of thought; the positive results that come from doubting that the lessons are all true. You must here distinguish–especially in teaching–the science from the forms or procedures that are sometimes used in developing science. It is easy to say, “We write, experiment, and observe, and do this or that.” You can copy that form exactly. But great religions are dissipated by following form without remembering the direct content of the teaching of the great leaders. In the same way, it is possible to follow form and call it science, but that is pseudo-science. In this way, we all suffer from the kind of tyranny we have today in the many institutions that have come under the influence of pseudoscientific advisers.
We have many studies in teaching, for example, in which people make observations, make lists, do statistics, and so on, but these do not thereby become established science, established knowledge. They are merely an imitative form of science analogous to the South Sea Islanders’ airfields–radio towers, etc., made out of wood. The islanders expect a great airplane to arrive. They even build wooden airplanes of the same shape as they see in the foreigners’ airfields around them, but strangely enough, their wood planes do not fly. The result of this pseudoscientific imitation is to produce experts, which many of you are. [But] you teachers, who are really teaching children at the bottom of the heap, can maybe doubt the experts. As a matter of fact, I can also define science another way: Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts.
When someone says, “Science teaches such and such,” he is using the word incorrectly. Science doesn’t teach anything; experience teaches it. If they say to you, “Science has shown such and such,” you might ask, “How does science show it? How did the scientists find out? How? What? Where?”
It should not be “science has shown” but “this experiment, this effect, has shown.” And you have as much right as anyone else, upon hearing about the experiments–but be patient and listen to all the evidence–to judge whether a sensible conclusion has been arrived at.”
So what if my doctor tells me the same thing I’m telling you, what then?
Lea – I struggle with you here. I don’t know how you can make your question any more clear about consulting with actual frontline medical professionals – the ones who treat vaccinated and unvaccinated patients. I’ve seen you ask that question over and over and over, but I’m yet to see a response from anyone who actually followed up to get an informed opinion. Instead, the consistent response is doubling down to defend YouTube and 1-off websites.
I follow cyber security topics as part of my vocational interests. I wasn’t surprised to hear about a misinformation campaign Russian trolls launched before COVID. Russian bloggers trolled Ukrainian web sites stirring doubt among mothers to get measles vaccines. The outcome was plummeting vaccination rates and a lot of sick children. Sound familiar?
Thanks Tony. It’s obvious that some who post here aren’t actually interested in pursuing truth; it would be far too challenging to the conspiracies in which they take such pleasure!
But I will keep posting it knowing that others who read here may be more open-minded, and hope they decide to consult an actual doctor in their own community rather an internet website.
“these people would still be here had they gotten the shot.” says the pastor in Florida church. Recently spoke with a 33 year recovering Covid person from Vegas that knew next to nothing about the treatments like the Romanian Doctor who has had 1000 Covid patients and treated them with Antibiotic called Clartycin as the main ingredient of her treatment, What about Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine, Vitamin D , Zinc, Vitamin C and other known Covid fighters. Would they have been around if they had taken this also. We uses a UV-C Blue light air filtering system and UV-C bulbs in our washroom. Get with the knowledge instead of using these highly debatable injections that are not fully proven and maybe harmful in the long run. Please google Dr. Hoffe articles too on microscopic clotting.
Also don’t forget to wash your socks in dew and put them on wet and turn around three times before every meal to activate your DNA! Nature is a healer and God made DNA in the shape of a helix!
Or, you could refuse to offer up your body as a host to an evil virus endangering your family and your neighbors, humble yourself, and get the vaccine.
“CDC Director Rochelle Walensky said recent studies had shown that those vaccinated individuals who do become infected with Covid have just as much viral load as the unvaccinated, making it possible for them to spread the virus to others.” – NBC.
“New data suggests that fully vaccinated individuals are not just contracting COVID, but could be carrying higher levels of virus than previously understood, facilitating spread.” — Dr. Wen.
Can you say massive idiotic cognitive dissonance? What about what the studies done before the rollout? What do they say? Oh, they were rushed and we don’t have any of this newly discovered info?
I could post dozens upon dozens of contradictory statements from day 1 to present from the psychopaths in charge.
If the public trust in doctors dropped 75% from the mid sixties to 2018 (look it up) then I will make an educated guess it is dropping 20 more points rapidly. This will most likely be the end of Western allopathic health care as we know it.
After this human experiment is complete I’m guessing this team of MD and Phd researchers will have to update their figures of almost 800,000 people per year needlessly killed by Western medicine to how many millions….????
http://www.webdc.com/pdfs/deathbymedicine.pdf
So many doctors (who were considered “intelligent”) started out injecting patients, thinking this was a good thing, now have decided to quit the injections because they saw the amount of devastation and finally decided to read the (incomplete) studies?
More than a quarter billion people in the twentieth century were demicided by their own governments.
https://hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM
What makes us think we are so safe today from the same, especially when the process due to technology is so much easier: 1) to carry out 2) and to blame the deaths on something else (via mind control…social media, radio, tel-lie-vision, implanted bodily nano particles stimulated/activated via emf’s, like phone or 5g, that control mood, memory, thought, etc etc etc).
Hasn’t anyone else researched the latest dark side of neuro technology and science?
Kenly Wayne,
Do not waste your time, you will not get your questions or research addressed, but you will get sarcastic responses, rhetoric, coyness, silence, judgement, victim narrative, or shame tactics. They aren’t interested in having a conversation if it doesn’t line up with the current narrative.
The Christian communities have learned to use DARVO from the pastors who have been using it to hide misbehavior, lies, criminal activity, misspending, and salaries.
“massive idiotic cognitive dissonance” on the part of doctors?
I assume if you or a family member are in a car accident you will stitch yourself back together and set your broken bones at home to avoid the massive idiots that you believe medical professionals to be, Kenly.
John, also the Israeli, Dr. Zelenko, has successfully treated over 6k “covid” patients is saying the stats in Israel are showing the majority who are sick have been injected.
Transcript here, thanks to Wade Burleson who has the humility to post such an interview.
“Actually, I will say it this way: In my opinion, the current Israeli government is guilty of doing what Josef Mengele did. They have permitted human experimentation of their own people. And I’m going to tell you, I hope, I hope this is a little different. Maybe not.
If you see trouble in the Jewish people, you should look at the rabbinic leadership. If the head is diseased, what do you expect of the body? So, I beg of this debate to put the interests of the people of Israel above politics and anything else that may alter your opinions,
I have I received death threats, daily death threats. I have risked my life, my career, my financial life, my reputation, my family, everything just to sit here and tell you what I’m doing.
So, I’ll just summarize
There is no need for this vaccine.
There’s actually no need for any to get it. Children are already told they have a 99.998 percent chance of getting better. Young adults from 18 to 45 have a 99.95 percent. It’s getting better just according to the CDC. Same concept.
Someone who has already had COVID that has antibodies, naturally induced immunity, has a billion times more effective immunity than artificially induced immunity through vaccine. So why? Why would I vaccinate someone with a poison death shot that makes inferior or dangerous antibodies when I already have healthy antibodies?
And then if you look at the high-risk population (the elderly) that has a 7.5 percent death rate. So, my data, which was the first one in the world which I published in a peer-reviewed journal, which has become the basis of over two hundred other studies, and I have corroborated my observations that if you treat people in the right time frame, you reduce death rate by 85 percent.
So out of 600,000 Americans who died, we could have prevented 510,000 from going to the hospital and dying. And by the way, I presented this information to Benjamin Netanyahu directly into his hands in April of 2010, and I informed every single member of your Ministry of Health as well.
So, my question to you is, if I can reduce the death rate from 7.5 percent to less than a half a percent, why would I use a poison death shot that doesn’t work and has tremendous and horrific side effects.
Let me do one more mind experiment with you, if everyone on the planet were to get COVID and not get treated, the death rate globally will be less than a half a percent. Now, I’m not advocating for that. That’s a lot of people, that’s thirty-five million people who will die. However, if we follow the advice of some of the quote-unquote, global leaders, let’s say, like Bill Gates who said last year, “Seven billion people need to be vaccinated.” If that happens, the death rate will be over two billion people. So, WAKE UP! This is World War Three! This is a level of malfeasance and malevolence that we have not seen, probably in the history of humanity.
I’m against child sacrifice. I am against idolatry. I really believe that God is testing every human being. And here’s the test.
Are you going to bow down to Me? Are you going to ask for your protection from Me? Are you going to take your fears and ask Me to help, or are you going to run to the idol of the vaccine of your governments, of despots and tyrants like sociopaths who want to be deities?
There is nothing new under the sun. These people are no different than Pharoah. They think they’re God. And you’re going to bow down to them? If you’re going about down them, listen, “Okay, let them protect you. Let’s see how that’s going to work out for you!”
I’m seeing fear drive people to do things that are completely irrational, things that do not make sense. They sacrifice their own children.
And yes, your Ministry of Health flying you your statistics are absolutely skewed.”
https://www.wadeburleson.org/2021/08/dr-zelenko-speaks-to-jerusalem.html?m=1
Oh, I believe the government agencies who ran the Tuskegee Study should be trusted without question. It’s clear that they follow a humanitarian mandate and the Hippocratic Oath. Just because billions and billions of dollars are at stake, they’re one true guiding purpose is “do no harm”.
I’m off to put my socks out in the dew and chat with Francis Crick for awhile. He tells great stories.
In case anyone is wondering about Peter’s allusion to the Tuskegee Study, which was ended just under fifty years ago, it is possibly taken from the film Medical Racism: The New Apartheid, which uses the Tuskegee Study as a pretext for promoting anti-vaccination claims.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_Racism:_The_New_Apartheid
That’s interesting. I wasn’t aware there was a movie. The CDC has a FAQ section about it on their website. Here’s the link to the original AP article that broke the story.
https://apnews.com/article/race-and-ethnicity-african-americans-medical-research-syphilis-bill-clinton-e9dd07eaa4e74052878a68132cd3803a
It is incredible how some people have managed to create a narrative that runs so completely counter to everything we actually know about pandemics, Covid-19 and the vaccines that protect against it.
The term “conspiracy theorist” doesn’t even begin to cover the insanity of it all.
It would be laughable if people weren’t dying because of this willful misinformation. They may not want to believe it, but the people who are spreading it, including those who are doing it on this website, have blood on their hands.
Mike, I assume you are all for putting the uninjected in concentration camps like the Japanese and Jews?
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/global-covid-19/shielding-approach-humanitarian.html
Fema is having an emergency broadcast today. Do you know why many are turning off their phones?
Do you think this doc lied when he said 95% of severe patients in Israel got the injection?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FvnHkp14Ne4
You said,
It would be laughable if people weren’t dying because of this willful misinformation. They may not want to believe it, but the people who are spreading it, including those who are doing it on this website, have blood on their hands.
Now that the heavy weaponry has been deployed that will probably change the DEFCON level. At this point anyone with a different opinion is supposed to hie off the field with their heads hung in shame. No one wants to have “blood on their hands”. So I ask you. For those who have died after receiving the shot or who have been permanently harmed, who gets responsibility for their blood or harm? Or do they simply fall in the category of acceptable losses?
You also mention “willful misinformation”. If the Tuskegee Study hadn’t been exposed back in the 70’s and all that was left was anecdotal information passed down from the surviving family members do you think they would be given an audience today? Or would they be blown off as “conspiracy theorists “? People would ask themselves “What sane person would believe that a legitimate government public health organization would carry out a 40 year long medical experiment on unsuspecting American citizens.” That’s just not possible. Stop watching that so-called news channel.
Maybe we should do what they’re doing in Sydney, Australia where a population of over 5 million is being locked down good and tight because of 111 new infections and the death of one man in his 80’s. Or we could do like Sweden and likely get the same results.
There’s also the other treatments that have been used, which can no longer be found because they don’t fit the narrative and there are billions of dollars on the line. Two of the companies are raising their vaccine prices in Europe, and both are already looking at over 30 billion in profits from the vaccine, and their 100% indemnified from any lawsuits that might be filed. They have nothing to lose.
Not sure if you know about Australia. They face challenges distributing the vaccine to its citizens, so they are more inclined to impose travel restrictions as mentioned.
And to answer your question about dissenting views and “blood on your hands, the answer is yes. Others on this forum are more polite than me, but this debate has moved beyond civil discourse. I believe that the unspoken view is that those who believe that getting the vaccine is the best way to be a good citizen wish others would simply stand down and keep their opinions to themselves. They may civilly recite that each person has the right to their own opinion, but (I believe) those who encourage hesitancy and are becoming more than a nuisance. I can only speak for myself, but am quite confident others share the same sentiment in private.
I wish the public debate was about something else, it regrettably this one is polarizing. Hopefully we can all find unity at some point , but it’s not like to happen with this topic anytime soon.
I got the vaccine. Felt peace about it. I also had covid last year. So, I think people should get it. But forcing them to get it? No.
For those of you who are untrusting of the US government, and are find the wisdom of local healthcare providers suspect, I can’t imagine you are able to self-heal on your own — you too need medical care.
Overwhelmingly medical providers are PLEADING with the general public to get vaccinated. I imagine when those on this forum experience a red dot on their skin, a persistent cough, or maybe a knee that ‘clicks’, they consult their family physician. Interestingly when it comes to this pandemic, these same people (the ones that advise against the vaccine) form their opinions by sharing YouTube videos among like-minded friends, instead of taking the advise of their physician.
I can’t imagine that all the classically trained doctors in the US have been duped by a supposed hoax. How are doctors and nurses who routinely treat COVID patients arriving at the same conclusion about the need for everyone to get vaccinated?
In other circumstances, I have no problem with others having a different opinion than me. Here, the spreading of misinformation is filling up the hospitals and medical services that I use, and the people I care about use. Funny thing is that when someone needs care, doctors don’t ask their opinion of the vaccine; they just provide treatment.
A church leader making vaccines accessible is commendable.
“A church leader making vaccines accessible is commendable.”
The Christian community using a technology based on aborted fetal cell research to “save their lives”, is selective morality.
I very much respect what you have said and the “civil” manner in which you have said it. I believe that has been something sorely lacking.
Whether or not healthcare workers are all speaking with one impassioned voice to get vaccinated is a matter for debate. I know many in the healthcare field who do not speak that way, and they’re not chiropractors. I also know many who were vaccinated solely to remain employed.
You said,
“In other circumstances, I have no problem with others having a different opinion than me. Here, the spreading of misinformation is filling up the hospitals and medical services that I use, and the people I care about use.”
So if I’m understanding correctly you’ve identified hospitals filling up along with medical services being taxed, and you’ve correlated that with what you call “misinformation” in comments here. Therefore there is a “cause and effect” relationship between the two. I’ll assume that you and others are nodding your heads in agreement.
How is that determined exactly? Do healthcare workers have a new admissions questionnaire that asks, “What misinformation did you know and when did you know it?”
Do you really believe the average person looking for medical information is going to go to “The Roys Report”, read this article, then go to the lively discussion in the comments section to arm themselves with sufficient misinformation so they can make the wrong decision? Do you not give people more credit than that? If comments from this website are capable of filling up hospitals and straining medical services because there’s no unilateral agreement on treatment then everything I write here should be considered uniquely dangerous. It should come with a warning label complete with the radioactive symbol. ☢ (I realize people are nodding in agreement. )
You also said,
“For those of you who are untrusting of the US government,…”
Do you believe implicit trust of any government is always warranted? Do you believe the cast of characters involved in providing a revolving narrative that changes with the news cycle are all people of superior moral character and goodwill given what we know about human nature?
Why would anyone believe the government is looking out for their welfare when we are welcoming thousands of people into the country across our southern border, many already sick and unvaccinated? There’s not enough people with the virus in the country. We should import more.
And then there’s a person nominated for a cabinet position who believes children are environmental hazards. Never fear. There’s a taxpayer funded organization that’s been taking care of your environmental hazards since 1973.
And you said this,
“Funny thing is that when someone needs care, doctors don’t ask their opinion of the vaccine; they just provide treatment.”
Last time I checked, healthcare workers weren’t in the habit of engaging patients in discussions about their views on the efficacy of cancer treatments, setting of broken bones, appropriate surgical procedures to relieve back pain and on and on. They do send a bill for services rendered though.
I could ask you your views on whether tobacco products should still be legal because lives are at stake. When people enter a hospital due to lung cancer after a lifetime of smoking, don’t healthcare workers still just provide treatment? Or should these patients be castigated for a lifetime of poor choices and not acting on good information?
It does sound like you want all dialogue on the matter to cease because lives are at stake. I do agree. Lives are at stake. Do you think anything I’ve submitted has swayed a single person who has read the article and looked for additional entertainment in the comments section?
As a side note, you said Australia has had trouble with their vaccine rollout. There is also a sizeable number in the over 70 group who are waiting for a different vaccine.
I fully realize that an ultimatum is heading toward people who do not want the vaccine. It’s like a runaway locomotive. The only option to avoid the collision is acquiescence. There are many difficult choices ahead. I’ll close, finally, by saying I believe valid points have been made on both sides of the argument.
“If your Conspiracy Theory doesn’t fit the facts, INVENT A BIGGER CONSPIRACY!”
— Kooks Magazine
Theory? Ken, If you have the isolated virus and clinical trials, please provide them. If I said I have a pet unicorn that stabbed everyone dead in front of you on the street you’d probably want me to show it to you.
Having nurses and doctors constantly post here on this blog site they have treated “covid” patients isn’t scientific proof of a causal relationship.
Remember when scurvy was thought to be contagious for several hundred years? I don’t remember accounts of Christians shaming each other for violating bogus standards.
“Here are 5 compilation pdfs containing FOI responses from 79 institutions in 22 countries/jurisdictions, re the isolation/purification/existence of “SARS-COV-2”, as well as emails from authors of studies that claimed to have “isolated the virus” and an email from the Head of the Consultant Laboratory for Diagnostic Electron Microscopy of Infectious Pathogens at Germany’s Robert Koch Institut, last updated July 13, 2021”
No one can provide the evidence.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/does-the-virus-exist-the-sars-cov-2-has-not-been-isolated-biggest-fraud-in-medical-history/5752066
Kenly Wayne,
This is a report on Moderna mRNA technology from 2017, worth the read.
https://www.statnews.com/2017/01/10/moderna-trouble-mrna/
It must be nice to have the whole world to conduct one massive lab experiment and not be subject to lawsuits.
From the article,
“[The technology] would have to be a miraculous, Hail Mary sort of save for them to get to where they need to be on their timelines,” one former employee said. “Either [Bancel] is extremely confident that it’s going to work, or he’s getting kind of jittery that with a lack of progress he needs to put something out there.”
“A STAT investigation last year found that Bancel had driven away top talent from Moderna with a culture of recrimination and a caustic work environment, including on-the-spot firings for failed experiments.”
Sounds like a wonderful place to work.
Thanks, Andrew.
“I reported on Feb. 4 that Moderna describes its new vaccine as “a computer operating system” but I was not aware at that time that Zaks had spoken three years ago about this, totally debunking the establishment media’s lie that mRNA vaccines don’t alter your genetic code.
He could not be more clear when he said “We are actually hacking the software of life.”
“Interestingly, one of the most potentially catastrophic side effects of the mRNA vaccine is its interaction with cancer cells. According to a study at New York City-based Sloan Kettering Cancer Center, the mRNA has a tendency to inactivate tumor-suppressing proteins, meaning it can promote the growth of already existing cancer cells.
Based on the predictions of Dr. Zaks, who oversaw the creation of the vaccine now being given to millions of people worldwide, the same Big Pharma companies that could potentially give people cancer with one vaccine could step forward later with another vaccine offering the cure for cancer. If you are the CEO of a mega pharmaceutical who answers to profit-driven Wall Street shareholders, that’s a brilliant strategy!”
https://leohohmann.com/2021/03/09/modernas-top-scientist-we-are-actually-hacking-the-software-of-life/
Bill Gates did the same thing with his operating systems. Get people hooked, introduce a virus, sell them the antidote. Rinse and repeat the fraud. Get rich and powerful. No wonder he stepped down as CEO in 2020 and is front and center with the plandemic.
I’m not sure the average person understands there is a demonic element to today’s frontline science that these big pharma and chemical companies spend massive amount of research money on.
See one of the founders of D Wave and Kindred (Geordie Rose) talk how their quantum computing and AI programs tap into the demonic realm for intelligence:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cD8zGnT2n_A
I have no doubt the Pharm companies are as well…a modern day tower of Babal episode. But the demons and we all know God in Christ wins in the end.
“I have a foreboding of an America in my children’s or grandchildren’s time — when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what’s true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness…
The dumbing down of American is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30 second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance”
Carl Sagan in The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark. 1995
Step 1: go to scholar.google.com. This will ensure you are searching peer reviewed literature.
Step 2: type in “Sars Cov Isolate”. That will ensure that you pick up references to different nomenclatures for the virus and the infection itself.
Step 3: At this point, you will have about 80,000 peer-reviewed and published papers to review.
They will include reports such as:
“An analysis of variations in SARS-Cov-2 genome”
“Sars Cov-2 isolation from the first reported patients in Brazil”
“Isolation of infectious SARS-COV-2 from urine of a COVID-19 patient” ”
Virus isolation from the first patient with SARS -COV-2 in Korea”.
“First Isolation of SARS-COV-2 from clinical samples in India”
“Isolation and characterization of SARS COV-2 from the first US COVID-19 patient”
“Molecular characterization of SARS-COV-2 from the first case of COVID-19 in Italy”
“Morphometry of SARS CoV and SARS CoV-2 particles”
“Comprehensive genome analysis of 6,000 USA SARS-Cov-2 isolates”
“Collection of SARS COV-2 virus form the air of a clinic”
“Variant analysis of 1,040 SARS-Cov-2 genomes”
Many of them will even have electron microscope images of the virus!
When you have reviewed all 80,000 of these papers and determined that none of them “provide the evidence” you seek, please come back here and say so.
From the article Andrew Thomas posted:
“But mRNA is a tricky technology. Several major pharmaceutical companies have tried and abandoned the idea, struggling to get mRNA into cells without triggering nasty side effects.”
And the question still remains, just how did they overcome the mRNA delivery issues? It doesn’t sound like they did. Nasty side effects and deaths have been reported.
Are you suggesting that a 2017 pre-COVID news article about a totally different disease is an answer to 80,000 citations of peer-reviewed COVID scientific research?
You said,
“Are you suggesting that a 2017 pre-COVID news article about a totally different disease is an answer to 80,000 citations of peer-reviewed COVID scientific research?”
I’m suggesting they still haven’t got the delivery science down, which was my “specific” question. What does “2017 Pre-Covid” have to do with anything when the nasty side effects mentioned in 2017 are still around in 2021? Did you read through 80,000 peer-reviewed citations and determine that the side effects were of no consequence?
Thank you Kenly Wayne, Peter Hays for reading the article and the replies/info.
I think Christians tend to forget we are in a fallen world and satan has influence, but in order to have the free will given to us by God, evil has to tell you want it is doing before doing it (always read the small print) or we have no agency over our own sin.
As for the state of the world I am keep going these verses, because other than 2 friends in Bible study, no one else see’s what is going on in the world.
John 12:40
“He has blinded their eyes and He hardened their heart, so that they would not see with their eyes and perceive with their heart, and be converted and I heal them.”
Matthew 13:15
For the heart of this people has become dull, With their ears they scarcely hear, And they have closed their eyes, Otherwise they would see with their eyes, Hear with their ears, And understand with their heart and return, And I would heal them.’
2 Thessalonians 2
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
Thanks for finding and posting it.
I think the mRNA delivery system might be the crux of the matter. It used to fall in the category of gene therapy until very recently. Now you’re only allowed to call it a vaccine because gene therapy probably sounds scary, and people would likely rather have their genes left alone.
https://www.outsourcing-pharma.com/Article/2018/11/02/Gene-therapy-de-coded-Utilizing-mRNA-programming-language-for-therapy-production
This article was obviously pre-Covid, pre-vaccine and pre-get the vaccine or get outta Dodge.
So every Christian that has taken the vaccine is damned?
@ Gordon Hackman
You said,
“So every Christian that has taken the vaccine is damned?”
Do you mean doomed or is this a question of salvation? I don’t see this as a salvation issue at all. But to be honest, there have been comments that have seemed to categorize unvaccinated as the “damned” ones. I also don’t think this is the mark of the “you know who”, and I never mentioned that.
Also, I don’t believe my comments have communicated a blanket indictment of the vaccinated. What I have said, and I believe it has support, is the delivery mechanism, mRNA, is problematic. It is gene therapy, contrary to claims otherwise, and it’s still experimental. That doesn’t mean everyone who’s been vaccinated has experienced complications. I know people who have.
Does that answer your question?
@ Gordon Hackman
I hit the “post comment ” button before I realized your comment was for Andrew Thomas. Just in case you were scratching your head wondering what I was talking about, that’s what happened.
My bad. Sorry about that.
Leah,
So to start with the simple question – if so many papers are available that supposedly prove true isolation (not even addressing the lack of clinical trials to prove causation here), then why, in your opinion, has not one government or health agency around the world been able to provide such an isolate when requested?
Why didn’t they give the same response you’re giving me??
Why are the scientists and owners of accredited labs saying the cdc has no certified reference materials to calibrate their instruments to?
“Why are there seemingly no certified reference materials for covid available to laboratories for instrument calibration?
I am the founder and owner of an analytical laboratory that routinely conducts quantitative analysis of food contaminants, producing high-precision analysis results for pesticides, herbicides and heavy metals. In every case where we conduct lab analysis, we calibrate the instruments against known physical samples called “external standards” or “certified reference materials.” (CRM)
Any lab can purchase CRMs for mercury, arsenic, glyphosate and even salmonella. For example, this link at Biosisto lists CRMs for various salmonella strains. Labs can purchase those reference materials and use them to calibrate their instruments, making sure their analysis is traced back to physical, real-world samples of a purified material. These CRMs, in turn, must be NIST-traceable in order to confirm their origin and authenticity. All CRMs are therefore labeled with lot numbers and expiration dates.
While labs can purchase reference materials for microbes, heavy metals, pesticides, etc. — all physical materials — I have searched far and wide and have not been able to locate any certified reference materials for SARS-CoV-2 or even a weakened, non-viable version of it. As far as I can tell, there appear to be no physical specimens of isolated Covid viruses available for instrument calibrations and testing protocol quality control.”
https://www.citizensjournal.us/breaking-cdc-fda-faked-covid-testing-protocol-by-using-human-cells-mixed-with-common-cold-virus-fragments-pcr-tests-are-merely-detecting-the-common-cold/
https://www.citizensjournal.us/breaking-cdc-fda-faked-covid-testing-protocol-by-using-human-cells-mixed-with-common-cold-virus-fragments-pcr-tests-are-merely-detecting-the-common-cold/
Kenly, I’ve just referred you to tens of thousands of peer-reviewed, publicly available scientific papers on isolates of the virus. It is the assembled work of tens of thousands of doctors and scientists.
You choose, instead, to believe an article originating from the for-profit website “Natural News”. Its proprietor is neither a doctor or a scientist, and his previous gig was spreading–and making money off of–Y2K alarmism.
You seem to be asserting that “Natural News” is telling the truth, and the tens of thousands of doctors and scientists involved in the tens of thousands of properly reviewed and publicly published references are all wrong.
As I said, please review the 80,000 references I’ve shown you how to access above, and compare their information to that of “Natural News”.
Leah, you didn’t answer the question – why are the authorities from around the world unable to provide isolated of the supposed virus?
Mike Adams is simply pointing out he can not obtain any like so many others.
Cosmic cognitive dissonance?
“why are the authorities from around the world unable to provide isolated of the supposed virus?”
Your question is nonsensical. Are you expecting that “authorities around the world” (and you don’t even name these vague ‘authorities’…who are they?) would simply provide isolates of the virus to anyone who asks?
Why would Mike Adams, who is neither a doctor nor a scientist, be provided with an isolate of a deadly virus?
Has he requested isolates of smallpox, too? And complained that the “authorities” won’t send him any?
Do I actually need to point out the cognitive dissonance of the same people who assert that the virus “escaped” from a Chinese laboratory expecting that an isolate of that same virus should be provided to anybody that requests it?
The 80,000 papers above attest to the fact that the virus can be isolated in the laboratory. By SCIENTISTS.
If you and Mike Adams are waiting for a COVID-19 isolate to arrive by post, keep waiting.
I’ll bet we don’t have to wait long for a gene therapy mandate.
https://www.outsourcing-pharma.com/Article/2018/11/02/Gene-therapy-de-coded-Utilizing-mRNA-programming-language-for-therapy-production
Lea, it appears you aren’t reading the articles I’ve posted. In response to Ken Pick, I posted this quote and link that it is not a conspiracy theory, but rather fact that governments and health authorities when asked via Freedom of Information acts cannot provide proof of an isolated virus.
“Here are 5 compilation pdfs containing FOI responses from 79 institutions in 22 countries/jurisdictions, re the isolation/purification/existence of “SARS-COV-2”, as well as emails from authors of studies that claimed to have “isolated the virus” and an email from the Head of the Consultant Laboratory for Diagnostic Electron Microscopy of Infectious Pathogens at Germany’s Robert Koch Institut, last updated July 13, 2021”
No one can provide the evidence.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/does-the-virus-exist-the-sars-cov-2-has-not-been-isolated-biggest-fraud-in-medical-history/5752066
Please read the pdf’s as they are dated copies of the inquiries and responses from all over the world. The latest being the chief health advisor to Alberta admitted in court July 2021 she does not have any isolates of sarsCov2.
Why don’t they have any if there have been so many papers “isolating” said virus?
Btw, Mike Adams was a true covid believer (masks and all) from the start for over a year, but because he had an open mind and interviewed people he didn’t necessary agree with – he changed his mind, and had the humility to apologize to his audience and certain doctors/scientists.
Hope you have a great weekend!
“No one can provide the evidence.”
If you don’t believe that 80,000 scientific papers documenting isolates, their genetic sequences, their infectious effects, their micrography, their metrology, their appearance in humans and animals, their presence in bodily fluids and air, their mutations and rate, and their variance in countries around the world, are “evidence” that the virus exists, then you have simply redefined “evidence” to mean “something that fits my preconceived ideas”.
Gordon Hackman,
“So every Christian that has taken the vaccine is damned?”
That is like saying “So every Christian that has sinned is dammed?”
Stop gas lighting, read the Bible, and come to your own conclusions. I am sinner with a computer, who reads the Bible, and shares what I am being led to, you can take it or leave it.
Vaccinated Christians are judging, harassing, pressuring, shaming people who are not vaccinated, to use a unproven technology that uses sacrificed baby tissue in it’s research and injections, to “save” our lives.
Christians yell “Abortion is murder! All life is sacred! You are going to hell!”
“Covid vaccines [are] derived from protein testing using the abortion-derived cell line HEK-293.”
Christians then yell, “You must get an injection that uses dissected babies tissue/blood, combined with an unproven technology to make a potion to keep us alive.”
That is selective morality. That is hypocrisy.
A Christian actually said to me, with a straight face, “There is something beautiful about using aborted fetal cells for vaccines, the babies have a chance to live on in all of us.” WTAF? Is this where our church leadership has brought us to over the past 50 years?
Some of us have serious questions about this technology and have the right to have our questions answered before we chose to allow having something injected into our bodies. We see other Christians blindly following whatever they see/hear on TV and do not understand why.
My reference to the Bible verses is what I turn to for comfort when society is no longer willing to discuss new/old information that does not line up with the media narrative, and society turns to propaganda techniques/intimidation/shame/lies/cognitive dissonance to support their argument. Society has lost the ability to think outside of its own box or accept that man is fallen and will lie.
I read everything someone presents to me as a counter argument to what I believe to be true, and if I am unable to rationally/respectfully defend my position, then I have to reevaluate my understanding of the situation.
I am the worst Christian you will meet, I constantly sin, ask for forgiveness, sin again, try to be a better Christian, sin, ask for forgiveness, try to be a better Christian, etc, etc …
I have no say, or judgment, as to who is saved and who is dammed. I can see hypocrisy/evil and as a Christian it is my responsibility to point out when something made by men, is pushed as our salvation, by Churches/Christians/Pastors/government. Nothing made by man is our salvation. It does not save us and usually has a spiritual price tag.
This does not mean I am anti science or medicine, if you need to see a doctor go see a doctor, but if you do not ask the hard questions/read the small print, then you are allowing someone else to make moral decisions for you.
You said,
“I am the worst Christian you will meet, I constantly sin, ask for forgiveness, sin again, try to be a better Christian, sin, ask for forgiveness, try to be a better Christian, etc, etc …”
In that case, welcome aboard Andrew.