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Southern Baptists Say No to Women Pastors. But What Does the Bible Say A Pastor Is?

By Bob Smietana
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During their annual meeting in New Orleans, Southern Baptists drew a clear line in the sand: Give a woman the title of “pastor” and your church no longer fits in the nation’s largest Protestant denomination.

But as nearly 13,000 local church representatives, known as messengers, departed the Big Easy in mid-June, a crucial question was left unanswered.

What exactly is a pastor? 

Answering that question is complicated.

That’s in part because, when Southern Baptists talk about the word “pastor,” they are discussing three things at the same time: job description, gender and church governance. And there’s a difference between how Southern Baptist doctrine defines the word and how churches use the term.

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Messengers attend the Southern Baptist Convention annual meeting at the Ernest N. Morial Convention Center in New Orleans, June 14, 2023. (RNS photo by Emily Kask)

That disconnect has caused enough confusion that last year, a prominent Southern Baptist Convention committee wanted to form a study group to sort out how the word “pastor” is used in local churches. That request was soundly rejected, with one influential leader insisting that Southern Baptists know exactly what a pastor is.

And in New Orleans this year, Southern Baptists made it clear if a woman is a senior leader of a congregation or preaches regularly, that church is out.

But what happens at the estimated 2,000 SBC churches where women have a number of support roles, such as associate pastor, worship pastor and children’s pastor? Are they also in danger of being kicked out of the SBC? And is using the term “minister” — often seen as a synonym for pastor — for women staffers also a violation of Southern Baptist doctrine?

Answering that question is not simple, in part because the Bible uses a series of titles for church leaders, including elder, overseer (often translated as bishop), pastor and deacon.

“The New Testament does not define the word ‘pastor’ in any way near the way we define it today,” said Scot McKnight, author and professor of New Testament at Northern Seminary, a private Baptist seminary in Lisle, Illinois.

Three of the most common words used for leaders in the New Testament are the Greek words “presbyteros,” which is often translated as elder; the word “episkopos,” translated as overseer or bishop; and the term “poimen,” which is translated as pastor.

Because the Christian church was in start-up mode during the time the New Testament was written, none of the structures that developed later were yet in place. And Christian groups have come to interpret those words differently. 

For example, the term “overseer” or “bishop,” in the Catholic Church and among Protestants such as Lutherans and Methodists, is someone who oversees a geographic area, whereas a pastor leads a local congregation. Presbyterians, Baptists and some other Protestants, by contrast, don’t have a hierarchy of bishops, and most congregations are overseen by local leaders, such as a pastor or board of elders.

“There’s a long debate about the relationship between an elder and overseer,” McKnight said. “And there is a long debate because the New Testament is not at all clear.”

Ray Van Neste, dean of the school of theology and missions at Union University, a Baptist college in Jackson, Tennessee, disagrees. He said there’s long been a consensus among Southern Baptists that the three main words for pastor — elder, overseer and pastor — refer to the same distinct role in the church. That role is set apart from other church members, who may also be involved in church leadership and ministry.

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Ray Van Neste. (Photo courtesy of Union University)

But while the New Testament’s teaching about pastors is clear, said Van Neste, Southern Baptists have not always been careful in how they use language, especially when it comes to job titles and job descriptions within the church.

“We love Jesus and try to get people saved,” he said. “Those things are crucial, but failure to pay attention to definitions has led to sloppy language, which leads to confusion.”

Van Neste said a woman who leads the children’s ministry or music ministry of the church could be called a minister without violating biblical teaching. But he’d prefer they use the job title of director instead, as people sometimes confuse the terms “pastor” and “minister.”

Bart Barber, who was recently elected for a second term as SBC president, offered a solution to the confusion about job titles.

At First Baptist Church in Farmersville, Texas, where Barber serves as pastor, both men and women have leadership roles in ministry. But anyone with the title of pastor must be eligible for the senior role at the church, while those with different titles needn’t be. 

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Southern Baptist Convention president Bart Barber speaks during the first day of the SBC annual meeting at the Ernst Memorial Convention Center in New Orleans, La., on June 13, 2023. (RNS photo by Emily Kask)

Barber said churches that use the word “pastor” differently could simply change job titles and be in line with SBC doctrine. He also noted the overwhelming support during the annual meeting for the belief that only men can serve as pastors.

Still, the gender restrictions on the role of pastor are also debated. While many Christian groups, including Southern Baptists and Catholics, restrict that role to men, the New Testament shows women taking prominent leadership roles.

Amy Peeler, author of “Women and the Gender of God” and an associate professor of New Testament at Wheaton College, said the restriction of women pastors played a role in her leaving the SBC, where she had been raised.

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Amy Peeler. (Photo © Breakforth Studio)

“I really love teaching, and I love teaching the Bible,” Peeler said. “I realized there wasn’t a place for me in the SBC.” She is now an associate rector at St. Mark’s Episcopal Church in Geneva, Illinois, adding that she was also drawn to a more liturgical style of worship.

Peeler said there are valid interpretations of the Bible that see all the terms used for the pastor as referring to one role — and that the role is limited to men. But there are also valid interpretations, she said, that define the terms differently and see the role of pastor as open to both men and women.

“Let’s show respect to someone that reads the Bible differently,” said Peeler, who has always found the Bible empowering to women because it shows women acting as leaders and pastors, no matter what their title.

McKnight also believes there are several ways of interpreting a prominent passage found in 1 Timothy, where the Apostle Paul says he does not allow women to teach or have authority over men.

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Scot McKnight. (Courtesy photo)

Southern Baptists point to that verse to support limiting the role of pastors to men. McKnight believes that statement dealt with a specific situation in a specific church, rather than applying universally. The New Testament also shows women teaching and leading, he said, at times in partnership with Paul.

“You can’t prohibit women from doing what they were doing in the early church and be consistent,” he said.

During their meeting in New Orleans, Southern Baptists approved a change to their statement of faith to clearly state the terms “elder,” “pastor” and “overseer” refer to the same office.  

The change may also have unintended consequences for church governance.

Many local Southern Baptist congregations use what’s known as an “elder-led” model, where the pastor is one of a group of men who serve as a governing board for the church. That model has become increasingly popular in churches as a way of making sure that one person — often the pastor — doesn’t hold all the power.

While scholars agree having multiple elders at a church is good, not all church governance boards are led by elders in the SBC. And not every pastor on a church staff is always included on the church elder boards. Also, in many cases, the church’s deacons — another role mentioned in the New Testament but not always defined — serve as the board, while the pastor is not called an elder. 

Van Neste said that structure doesn’t match the biblically defined role for deacons. Instead, he said, it shows the way Southern Baptists have not been precise in their language. He said Southern Baptists understand what they believe about pastors and elders. Now it is time to practice what they preach when it comes to church leadership.

“We need to sit down with the understanding, which is pretty clear, and ask hard questions about whether or not we’re being true to that understanding,” he said.

Bob SmietanaBob Smietana is a national reporter for Religion News Service.

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22 Responses

    1. Paul, thanks for your post. I read your linked article. I understand that there are several (good) church governance models in use in modern Christianity. I disagree with you, and do believe that the equal plural elder leadership model is a better version than those which use a single person in power authority.

      1. Chris, respectfully, how could you have read that article and thought I was advocating for a “single person in power authority”? That is the opposite of my point. SMH.

          1. I think you did. Thanks for the reply so people don’t get the wrong idea. ‘Preciate it! :)

          2. I am appalled at the position the SBC has taken on this issue. The Holy Spirit has no gender as pointed out in Galatians 3:27-28. There are many places in the New Testament where Christ appointed and authorized women to carry out assignments to give instructions to men. If you read the story about the Samaritan woman at the well, it was the woman that went into the city and led ALL the men of the city out to see a man who told her all about her life. It was women Christ told to go tell His disciples to meet him in Jerusalem. We have published the revelation the Holy Spirit revealed to us on this matter. You can find it in the link below. I believe it would benefit the SBC leadership greatly to read the book. God bless you all.
            Change Your Culture, Change Your World: Companion to Understanding Kingdom Culture https://a.co/d/3l9ZINj

  1. I think the SBC, in affirming Resolution 5, is saying females are welcomed to do all the shepherding and teaching and overseeing and missionary work they want, in order to bring the gospel to the world… they just can’t have the title “Pastor” or “Elder”. I suppose that just implies a female cannot be paid to proclaim God’s word from a pulpit on Sunday morning in the USA.

    1. a woman goes into the mission field and preaches christ to lost tribes, she is called courageous–
      a woman goes to a street corner and shares the gospel with a passerby and she is called a true christian–
      a woman preaches christ standing behind a pulpit in a christian church and she is looked at as rebellious, mislead, feminist, disobeying God, etc

      just like in real estate i guess it is location location location

      1. Very good point Susan. When are we going to come to the understanding that there is neither male or female, we are all one in Christ. Galatians 3:27-28. Thank you for your post.

  2. For 2,000 years, male pastoral leadership was the standard based on Biblical interpretation in the vast majority of Christendom. Now, with the rise of militant feminism culturally, the church is supposed to abandon it’s position and tradition held for two millennia after intense research and conversation from the era of the Apostles on simply so we can blend in with the popular culture? I think not. The insatiable thirst to compromise Truth and the authority of God’s Word is even older — check out Genesis.

    1. The church — SBC or universal — should not abandon its position for the sake of the culture, but should re-read Genesis for God’s original design of women and men, as side-by-side equals. There was no hierarchy “in the beginning”, and the woman, as EZER, was not subordinate just because she was made second. That is not a compromise statement, and does not nullify the Word of God. Perhaps the model in Genesis 2 should inform us that God redeemed us as a new “people” when Jesus was made King, and there is now a restored way for His people relating to one another in service and fellowship (e.g., Acts 15). I am not decrying male leadership, but I think we are not seeing a bigger picture of how to use the Word of God in making church leadership and service decisions.

    2. Other than in the early church, which Christ established, you must mean. Because there is a STRONG lineage of women in leadership in the early church.

        1. Hi, Blake. The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. I can’t find a list of men who are specifically mentioned as elders or overseers or pastors, either. I can infer that Timothy was (although “elder” wouldn’t work for his age) and Titus, simply because of the instructions in Paul’s letter to them, but reading through the NT, I don’t see any named person with these titles.

          It doesn’t matter, though. Women have served and led without titles, as do men, throughout the centuries in The Church… sometimes with head coverings, sometimes not. But I won’t get into that cultural conversation in this thread. :-)

  3. Saying that elder, bishop and pastor mean the same thing is like saying the numbers one, two, and three also mean the same thing. Just saying ☺️

  4. Hath God said continues to this day.
    As long as some decide to change one definitive, the rest of what was defined needs to change to fit the narrative.
    One says it was written according to the culture of that time. Guess what? The whole Bible fits that – being written over 1900 years ago. Either it worked then, it will work now or create a new Bible that fits our culture today.

  5. It is “Christ himself” who graces his Body with gifts for ministry. These are not career paths or roles that individuals choose for themselves, nor are they elected to these roles by a group of other people. Put differently, a title in the Church must not be held by a person(s) unless and until Christ assigns it. This is not to say that a local body of believers do not recognize Christ’s calling and assignment, but it is to say that selection of church leaders cannot leave out Christ as the primary one who gifts certain individuals to lead his people. See further my https://inchristus.com/2023/06/24/pastor-or-teacher-or-both-a-closer-look-at-ephesians-4/

  6. Everybody is confused about church leadership, especially the SBC. The Church should be led by Jesus.

  7. So the sovereign Spirit has been gifting women for pastoral ministry and pastoral roles for 2,000 years but they’ve never served because men kept them from doing it. Seems odd.

  8. I may have missed this in the article but I don’t see many scripture references to back up positions taken. I Timothy 3:2 and Titus 1:6. For example.

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