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Pastor John MacArthur preaches at Grace Community Church on Jan. 17, 2021, after a month-long absence

John MacArthur Returns to Pulpit after Apparent, Undisclosed Illness

By Julie Roys

John MacArthur has returned to the pulpit at Grace Community Church after about a month-long absence that began in the midst of an alleged COVID-19 outbreak at the church. The 81-year-old pastor apparently is recovering from an illness, but did not specify the nature of that illness.

At the beginning of the service Sunday, MacArthur greeted the congregation. After struggling to clear his throat and catch his breath, MacArthur pointed to his chest and said, “It’s in there still, so, you’re going to get it, later this morning.”

MacArthur Greets His Congregation at the Beginning of Sunday’s Service:

MacArthur had last preached at Grace on December 20. That same day, The Roys Report published accounts that some staff and members at Grace had COVID but were being pressured by the church not to report their illness to health officials.

Two-and-half weeks ago, a Master’s Seminary student and member of Grace died after being diagnosed with COVID-19.

Since December 20, MacArthur had not been seen and was believed to be ill. A few days prior to last Sunday’s service, several people posted pictures on social media showing MacArthur teaching a class at The Master’s Seminary.

The church has not responded to repeated questions about MacArthur’s health. When MacArthur did not preach as scheduled on previous Sundays, staff merely said that MacArthur was “resting” and preparing for the upcoming Shepherd’s Conference March 3-5.

MacArthur on Sunday did not address why he had been absent. Before preaching, he simply stated, “It’s a little bit rare for me to go several weeks without preaching. It’s a little bit painful because I love to minister the Word of God.”

MacArthur downplayed concerns about the coronavirus pandemic and Joe Biden’s defeat of Donald Trump, whom MacArthur had staunchly supported. MacArthur said that despite these events, God had been exalted at Grace in services the previous week.

“And if you were kind of tuning in to watch Grace Church last week, you would have said, ‘What election?'” MacArthur said to applause. “What’s going on politically? What pandemic? What virus?’ Christ is all in all. Amen?”

MacArthur’s sermon Sunday was atypical. Instead of preaching verse-by-verse through the Scriptures, he reflected on the past year, saying what Grace had experienced in 2020 was similar to being “at war.”

“We’ve been under a massive assault,” MacArthur said, and referred to the church’s ongoing battle with authorities about meeting indoors for worship. (Los Angeles County recently reversed its ban on indoor worship, provided churches follow social distancing protocols.)

MacArthur also took aim at the media and “ungodly bloggers.” 

“ABC tried to discredit us. CNN tried to discredit us. The LA Times has tried numerous times to discredit us. Ungodly bloggers tried to discredit us,” MacArthur said. “They’ve said terrible things about us, lies, misrepresentations, inaccuracies. And they’ve all, really, if they’re honest, had to retract everything because it’s just amazing how the Lord has protected us, isn’t it? Hey, we’re here! Sorry world. You’re there. And I’m still here.”

At the same time, MacArthur later in his message referred positively to work the media has done over the past year, exposing pastors who are “charlatans.”

“It was very hard to call people to faithfulness when you could be so corrupt and so successful in Christian religion. That was the battle,” MacArthur said. “Now, I think there’s a sifting and a shifting. First of all, phonies are going to have a tough time hiding with the internet.”

Then, he specifically referred to the late apologist Ravi Zacharias, which The Roys Report began exposing in September, and former Hillsong Pastor Carl Lentz.

“We’re seeing one after another after another after another—dead ones and alive ones—this dead apologist had a deviant sex life. This cool dude, rock-n-roll pastor was immoral with multiple women for years and years. . . . But liars and frauds and false teachers and con men and all of that have been very, very successful—massively. The media exposed, people have turned that into a fortune.”

MacArthur also discussed religious freedom—a right Grace repeatedly complained had been infringed upon by governing authorities over the past year.

Yet, MacArthur stated, “I don’t even support religious freedom. Religious freedom is what sends people to hell. To say, ‘I support religious freedom’ is to say I support idolatry! It’s to say I support lies! I support hell! I support the kingdom of darkness! You can’t say that! No Christian with half a brain would say, ‘We support religious freedom!’ We support the truth.”

MacArthur ended the sermon by telling congregants that the persecution the church has experienced will likely get worse. Despite this, MacArthur said he’s excited about the future.

“I don’t know how you think this is going to go in the future, but I couldn’t be more thrilled,” MacArthur said. “I mean the clarity now is wonderful, absolutely wonderful.”

MacArthur’s Full Sermon Sermon on Sunday:

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114 thoughts on “John MacArthur Returns to Pulpit after Apparent, Undisclosed Illness”

  1. I really do not understand…. the senior pastor is out for several weeks and the congregation does not even know why …????

    How does a congregant pray for the situation… did the pastor have a heart attack, the flu, sprained his ankle…. …. every church I know would ask for prayers for the pastor for the specific condition….

  2. Hey Brian Patrick, that’s a very interesting statement to accuse me of twisting Scripture. Hey look them up. The passages speak for themselves. If you disagree instead of using your subjective statements and speculations about what you think I mean in my statements. Which they do the reverse You seem to know my intents as you take my statements and add your commentary. Your statements are making you look like the very thing you are accusing John MacArthur of. How are you building up the Body of Christ? The tongue is the dipstick to the heart. Just as the dipstick can check you oil… so does the tongue reveal the condition of the heart. I thought The Roy’s sight would be a healthy Irons sharpens Iron As you and I should. Has someone really really really hurt you Brian? You are making all these speculations of my intent on Julie, who I am praying to accusing me of Idolatry and well confusing things that never was in my mind at all. The worse was you called Psalm 34:8 fluff. That brings me to pause, think and ponder your statements . However here is Paul,, “ Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things.” Are you practicing this imperative on the Roy’s Site? Brian Patrick, on whose authority do you call Psalm 34:8 fluff?

    1. Hi KC, you are being very kind. God bless you for it, but be warned that this is more likely a pearls-before-pigs thing. He frequently and freely makes false accusations against those commenting, and others who claim Christ, and has yet to appropriately respond when confronted.

      You are observant, this bitterness and these vile and false accusations do likely spring from past offenses, real or not.

      You can’t reason with someone who relies on bitterness and false accusations….

      1. Dewey,

        I’ve seen many of your posts on Julie’s articles. I can’t recall any of them that were supportive or uplifting of Julie and her ministry or even legitimately skeptical and inquisitive. Whatever she has to say, you are against it and then you, like KC (who for all I know is the same person using a sock puppet IP) hide behind this “the unity of Christ” nonsense. Well, Julie Roys claims Christ and all I see out of you towards her is right-wing snark even though she herself, from all I can tell, is a fellow conservative. I don’t have to suck up to swine (to use your word) like MacArthur, Zacharias, Tom Randall, the Hillsong gang, or whoever else it is you may feel like toadying for at the moment–and ESPECIALLY ex-President Trump, who doesn’t even pretend to be a believer, who you worship above all else. I DON’T have unity or fellowship with wolves and thieves and tares if I know that’s what they are. Get over it.

        1. So now you respond? Yet you have proved every point I made, and then some. I would ask that you find someone who is willing to be completely objective, and willing to love you with the truth, and will look at most/all your comments here and tell you what they see.

          To what degree do you care if you make a false accusation of others? Yet your comments are a cornucopia of false accusations. And you have to know this is true, at least on some level.

          Please, please live out Ephesians 4:29-32 before you make any more false accusations, or commit other egregious sins against others. It seems the main things you have are false accusations, evasion of your own sins and of the truth, and derision and bitterness. That is far from healthy or Christlike.

          The Lord rebuke you for what you are doing.

          1. Dewey, if that’s your real name, I answer to the Lord. I don’t answer to you and the other Trump trolls here. If you believe that your conduct here (not just in this article, but across all of Julie’s site) is Christlike, then you really live on another planet, buddy. You hide behind appeals to “the truth” and attributing “false accusations” to those supporting Julie–yet it’s funny I saw you on other articles making PLENTY of those. Do you want me to bring up your slander of the two Moores, Keller, Mohler, and TGC (you accused them all of being SJWs who rewrite Scripture) in the Dave Ramsey thread? Do you want me to bring up your absolutely hilarious whining on behalf of your orange god in the McFarland article? You came here, not I, to cause trouble by spreading lies and to demean Julie for doing her job. I have a hard time believing you ever were saved to begin with, and certainly that you are now. So, I will dust you off my feet, and respond to you no further. Have a good day breathing in COVID without a mask with MacArthur, Ramsey, McFarland, and the rest of your QAnon nut jobs.

          2. Yes, BP, I guess that sounds like a threat, but have at it.

            At least share the degree you care about false accusations, please just answer that…….

  3. KC, either you are a brainwashed cultist fanboy or (as I increasingly suspect with your legalese sophism and Bill Clintonesque doublespeak) a staff member of the GTY organization or an agent with JMA’s legal team or an online reputation-salvaging firm he has hired. If the former, then I pity you. If the latter, then I regard you as no different than a tax collector and certainly not a brother. Do you really want me to count the number of times you have assumed facts not in evidence or made strawmen? I didn’t come to a GCC forum to start flaming John Mac. YOU came HERE to Julie’s page to attack her work. Julie has presented the evidence of JMA being caught with his hand in the cookie jar (or biohazard jar). What do you have to refute that? Your premise is that we need to have blind faith in the infinite goodness of Johnny Mac’s character because… you say so and otherwise we are a bunch of big meanies. Yeah, that’s a persuasive apologetics argument that will win over a lot of atheists.

    “You are making all these speculations of my intent on Julie, who I am praying to accusing me of Idolatry and well confusing things that never was in my mind at all.”

    What the heck were you even trying to say here? Count to ten and rewrite it so that we can understand you, thank you very much.

    “Are you practicing this imperative on the Roy’s Site? Brian Patrick, on whose authority do you call Psalm 34:8 fluff?”

    The Psalm isn’t fluff. YOUR twisting it to suit your goal of running interference for MacArthur is what’s fluff. Since you already know that, and since you are clearly not a sincere and honest participant, this will be my final response to you. Have a good day.

  4. Brian Patrick. I am a family man with 2 boys, I served in the US Army. I love the Bible so much. I have spent years studying 📖 the Bible I find Jesus. I am amazed by the Grace of Jesus. I’m as real as I can be. I am alive by the Grace of Jesus. I really don’t understand your logic or your slamming people. You actually undo your arguments by stating some characteristic about John or a fellow person on this site. You accuse them of something and then the rest of your post you have narcissistic, unregenerate and divisive statements. I do not understand this thing you did say,

    “ Here is a truth bomb for you all: wasn’t canceled by progressive, woke leftie culture-warriors. I was canceled by a group of Bible-believing traditional Christian Trump supporters I would agree with on 95% of issues. Some of the greatest tolerance I’ve ever received has been from liberals and some of the cruelest judgment I’ve ever received has been from the evangelical right.”

    You say you agree ,yet you never use the scripture to elucidate your points. You attack people and I can see why they were out on you. That’s your deal not theirs. This next statement encapsulated a lot of things you say.

    “I really don’t care if his theology is better than theirs is. Theology doesn’t save. Regeneration in the blood of the Lamb saves”.

    You have a false dilemma and it lacks syllogistic reasoning or deductive reasoning:

    1. I really don’t care if his theology is better than theirs.
    2. Theology doesn’t save.
    Concluding Statement
    3. Regeneration in the blood of the Lamb saves.
    Dude that makes zero sense. Those statements are disjointed thoughts and have no relevance. When people point that out you attack and name call.

    This one is puts the letter “U” in “”Funny”

    You said:
    “SH, give us a break with your fake pearl-clutching and hurt feelings. Most likely if you aren’t a bot program, you are a GCC/TMU staffer who is paid to run interference for your god, oops I meant to say boss, on the internet. Well, we don’t put up with that nonsense here.”

    1. You judge motives
    2. You “a bot Program” I don’t know what that means
    3. You accuse of idolatry. Which is a common response anytime someone challenges your statements. You say that they have an idolatry issue. Challenging them to repent
    4 You try to make fun of them and others by saying as you did a few times saying derogatory thing as In oops I meant boss.
    5. You talked about being canceled. Isn’t that what you are doing here? Claiming “we don’t put up with that non-sense here. Acting also as an authority on this. So narcissistic too.

    You don’t have to appreciate the ministry of GCC. But your easy to debunk because you do not make reasonable or measured statements. Sadly, they make you look foolish.

    If you can’t see someone in their head how do you ascribe motives? I agree with Dewey find some loving and Godly men to read the interactions on this site. Because and I am not saying this as a noun or an adjective, rather as an actions. Your words and responses has actions of a foolish, narcissistic, bullying, mean spirited, unreasonable, sarcastic, unregenerate, zero logic, destructive, arrogant, non-rational, hurtful and 2 Timothy 3 warnings of your characteristics. When you accused me of being someone else, I thought is this guy real? Because the charges you make and your arguments which should support your charges actually describe what you accuse others. So I pray for you and that you examine your heart, actions and your words. When you belittle the word of God as you did about the list of passages and in particular Psalm 34:8. Sad!

  5. MacArthur doesn’t do anything except with his body guards around him. He is flanked by them at all times. They protect him from people whom he is called to minister to. They have cameras everywhere watching people…all for the purpose of protecting MacArthur from those who might disagree with him or confront him. The point here is that there is no regard for social distancing in a pandemic…no regard for helping people who feel vulnerable still be able to worship without feeling they are “less than” by trying to be careful. That isn’t allowed in a MacArthur/GCC world. People have died. And they have promoted themselves as those who have gone against government. They are the very ones who don’t follow the government and are rebellious in ways already discussed by others. There is a disregard for the truth even in the way MacArthur addressed his absence and Covid experience. There are people who are completely disillusioned. He gets back from his COVID experience and doesn’t preach an expository sermon. Instead? A political rant on how the church has done so much during the pandemic. Things that they should have been doing anyways. MacArthur just distracting the audience so they don’t think on their own or see the real issues. MacArthur just patting himself on the back in a way that further demonstrates his pride. Ask MacArthur to get rid of his body guards and be a normal pastor. He has created and allowed a celebrity culture where he is protected and worshipped by those men who have allowed it. And all of you reading Julie’s articles continue to allow it to happen. HOLD MACARTHUR ACCOUNTABLE SOMEONE!

    1. Amen! When I tried to wait in line to talk to McArthur his temple guard asks me “what you want to talk to him about?” I should of said “ none of your f—ing business!”

  6. I just have to weigh in here. MacArthur with his son Mark in a financial scam that now has the potential to go to court and judgment will come. And MacArthur defends him blindly. He has scammed people out of their money. And the nepotism with his son-in-law Kory. Unbelievable! Any other pastor with such baggage would be asked to step down by MacArthur himself saying that there is just too much drama surrounding him that brings a discredit to the gospel by the way he runs his family. But not MacArthur. He can have this kind of baggage and give himself grace, but never to someone else. MacArthur is capable of distracting his followers with all kinds of talk and statistics that keep them focused on things that don’t really matter. As JJ said, things the church should be doing at all times. Why did it take a pandemic for GCC to do some of these things? MacArthur’s own family is a mess and drama filled. So why can he get away with this when other men (elders and pastors) have had to step down from ministry with such drama in their families? I guess when you have an empire to protect, your family can be embroiled in financial scams, nepotism and other things and you can get away with it. I guess this is a sad commentary on how MacArthur operates. Grace for self and never for others. It is very sad.

  7. Brian Patrick,
    Your comments about my thoughts on Julie Roy’s are baseless. I appreciate her work and her courage. If Julie ,as you claim, believes that everyone should agree with her (Which btw I’ve listened to a lot of her podcasts, purchased her book and I see humility in her) in everything she writes and just agree with her. I think she would have no point to expose Harvest, Ravi, Moody and etc. in fact she often says it brings her no joy exposing the Harvest Story and Moody story, I’ve heard her say it. People have come to her with their claims and she investigates it and is prudent. This story/article is nothing like the other stories I bet she enjoys dialogue. Which is why she has this forum. But these statements you made are hardly a representation of that intent of others and your vernacular is non-Biblical. Perhaps, foolish. It is what Jesus calls foolish, and when Jesus calls you a fool then you are a ________________.
    This is just 4 out of 108 statements I have read and highlighted that shows your intent and vernacular.
    1. “Do you really want me to count the number of times you have assumed facts not in evidence or made strawmen? ”

    Sure count them and list them.

    2. “ KC, either you are a brainwashed cultist fanboy or (as I increasingly suspect with your legalese sophism and Bill Clintonesque doublespeak)”

    3. “ YOU came HERE to Julie’s page to attack her work.”

    4. “ Your premise is that we need to have blind faith in the infinite goodness of Johnny Mac’s character because… you say so and otherwise we are a bunch of big meanies. Yeah, that’s a persuasive apologetics argument that will win over a lot of atheists.

    ———-—-Can you actually point out when and where I said that? If so I will confess my sin of idolatry!

    THIS HAS ZERO TO DO WITH JULIE ROYS. She is not writing from a ARGUMENTATIVE OR PERSUASIVE perspective/style. All it is an INFORMATIVE ARTICLE. She gave zero imperatives for her readers. Nor did she insert herself in the story. Oh ya that’s called journalism. Then, we have brought our perspective and commentary to the story. It’s sad that name calling, blatantly misrepresentation and zero deductive/inductive logic is used here. I’m glad your going to quit responding. It may be wisdom finally sinking in. God help us all as fallen and sinful people. Brian I do not have it all together and I struggle every day with practically being the person that I am positionally (Philippians 3:20-21.The joy is that When God looks at His children… HE SEES THE PERSON AND WORK OF JESUS CHRIST. THATS THE MOST HUMBLING TRUTH I KNOW.

    I am sorry that something has happened to you to bring such a criticism and negative comments on this site. It is profound and I pray you find the Joy that will build others up with a kind word in a cruel world. Our words have the ability to build up or destroy (Philippians 4:8).

    1. KC,

      Against my better judgment and in violation of my own word, I can’t resist the urge to smack you around a little more. Maybe I’m burying myself deeper but I learn from the best, you (and your fellow zombies).

      “Brian Patrick. I am a family man with 2 boys, I served in the US Army.”

      Do you really expect me to take your word at that? You are anonymous initials on the internet. You could be a nineteen year-old, 300-pound dropout in his stepdad’s basement who smokes weed and trolls the internet all day for all that I know. With the number of grammatical errors you make (not to mention everything else), I struggle with the notion that you are a mature, rational, educated adult.

      “I love the Bible so much. I have spent years studying the Bible I find Jesus. I am amazed by the Grace of Jesus. I’m as real as I can be.”

      I think that for most of us, it’s common knowledge that a real person doesn’t need to boast and proclaim what they are so vehemently or say how “real” they are. Most of us let our example and actions do the talking. Most of us know to do that without being prompted. When have I made any pronouncements of how Godly I am? I haven’t. I am a broken, wretched, awful sinner who deserves hell very much. Truly, you have nailed the braggadocio part of your other god (Trump) to a T.

      “You actually undo your arguments by stating some characteristic about John”

      You’ve said a number of unkind things about folks who disagree with you, I should point out… pot, kettle eh?

      “You accuse them of something and then the rest of your post you have narcissistic, unregenerate and divisive statements.”

      So, we cannot know John Mac’s heart by his fruits, but–you can know MY heart, on the internet, because I say things that you find offensive? As the kids say, “okay, boomer”.

      If I have behaved inappropriately Julie can moderate/rebuke/ban me. The last time I checked Julie ran her site, not you.

      “You say you agree ,yet you never use the scripture to elucidate your points. You attack people and I can see why they were out on you. That’s your deal not theirs. This next statement encapsulated a lot of things you say.”

      I don’t know what your point is… I need Scripture to say that rape and child abuse are sins? I need Scripture to say that an orange is orange and the world is round? I need Scripture to say that due to gravity and physics it’s not smart to jump out a thirty-story window and assume God will save me? A brilliant apologist such as yourself surely knows that there are three types of divine witness/revelation, and what “creation witness” or “creation revelation” (common observation of facts) is, but maybe you don’t.

      “You have a false dilemma and it lacks syllogistic reasoning or deductive reasoning:
      1. I really don’t care if his theology is better than theirs.
      2. Theology doesn’t save.
      Concluding Statement
      3. Regeneration in the blood of the Lamb saves.”

      I am going to make the assumption that you are a 5PC given your reverence for MacArthur and the GTY organization. With that in mind, this attack on me requires an abandonment of your dearest principles. Since you think that good theology saves, clearly there’s no room for irresistible grace in your heart–the only other conclusion is that you are conveniently temporarily abandoning it to throw stones at me.

      “3. Regeneration in the blood of the Lamb saves.
      Dude that makes zero sense. Those statements are disjointed thoughts and have no relevance. When people point that out you attack and name call”

      Of course it makes no sense to you, apparently in your cosmology revering and adoring “holy men” is what gets you to heaven.

      “1. You judge motives
      2. You “a bot Program” I don’t know what that means
      3. You accuse of idolatry. Which is a common response anytime someone challenges your statements. You say that they have an idolatry issue. Challenging them to repent
      4 You try to make fun of them and others by saying as you did a few times saying derogatory thing as In oops I meant boss.
      5. You talked about being canceled. Isn’t that what you are doing here? Claiming “we don’t put up with that non-sense here. Acting also as an authority on this. So narcissistic too”

      I go by fruits. I go by what I can see. I can’t look inside your soul. I don’t know if a word you say is sincerely meant but taking you at face value, you are all of these things. I’m not the one who fanboys people and takes such personal wounding at another calling out the speakers/leaders I like. I *appreciate* Julie Roys, Joe Carter, Tim Keller, John Cooper from Skillet etc. but I sure as heck don’t consider them to be perfect or anywhere close and if they are wrong or someone gives me evidence of unrepented moral failing on their part I’m not going to bury my head in the sand. Unlike you I appreciate the sacrifice Hus and Wycliffe made so that we aren’t required to lionize church leaders and to the greatest of my ability I won’t ever do that.

      “You don’t have to appreciate the ministry of GCC. But your easy to debunk because you do not make reasonable or measured statements. Sadly, they make you look foolish.”

      You call yourself an elite apologist and Scriptural scholar and don’t know the difference between YOU’RE and “your”? Lol.

      “I agree with Dewey find some loving and Godly men to read the interactions on this site.”

      Totally no reason to wonder if you might be the same person with multiple sock puppet usernames right?

      “Your words and responses has actions of a foolish, narcissistic, bullying, mean spirited, unreasonable, sarcastic, unregenerate, zero logic, destructive, arrogant, non-rational, hurtful and 2 Timothy 3 warnings of your characteristics.”

      I want you to look up the definition of “projection” and get back to me on that.

      “When you belittle the word of God as you did about the list of passages and in particular Psalm 34:8. Sad!”

      Yeah nice try. If I am against John MacArthur and his words I’m against the word of God! Nice try. You wonder why people call you an idolator.

      “Your comments about my thoughts on Julie Roy’s are baseless. I appreciate her work and her courage. If Julie ,as you claim, believes that everyone should agree with her (Which btw I’ve listened to a lot of her podcasts, purchased her book and I see humility in her) in everything she writes and just agree with her.”

      I’m to take you at your word that you bought her book? Hahahahahaha! Your actions in this article refute your profession of being pro-Julie so no, I don’t believe anything you say.

      “But these statements you made are hardly a representation of that intent of others and your vernacular is non-Biblical. Perhaps, foolish. It is what Jesus calls foolish, and when Jesus calls you a fool then you are a ________________.”

      Because you call me a fool, then Jesus himself calls me a “fool”? Oh my word. Did Jesus personally visit you and speak to you about me? Are you claiming a special revelation? You and Joseph Smith both! If so you have a much higher bar to clear than I do. I’m going to guess that you are an anti-Charismatic and a cessationist. If so, then you just threw all your principles out the window.

      “This is just 4 out of 108 statements I have read and highlighted that shows your intent and vernacular.”

      No, please list all of them. I think you pulled that number out of thin air, but go ahead and use this opportunity to score an epic beatdown.

      “Can you actually point out when and where I said that? If so I will confess my sin of idolatry!”

      This entire beef is 100% because your feelings are hurt that I dared to agree with Julie and others on “God’s anointed” Johnny boy. A non-idolater isn’t going to fanboy the way you do.

      “THIS HAS ZERO TO DO WITH JULIE ROYS. She is not writing from a ARGUMENTATIVE OR PERSUASIVE perspective/style. All it is an INFORMATIVE ARTICLE. She gave zero imperatives for her readers. Nor did she insert herself in the story. Oh ya that’s called journalism.”

      Nice try, pretend to be neutral and impartial now, after the fact, after you’ve spent pages tantruming against anyone who’s against your white-haired messiah (the Reformed Benny Hinn).

      “It may be wisdom finally sinking in. God help us all as fallen and sinful people.”

      You’re right that I lack wisdom. That might be the only thing you’ve been right about in this wizzing match, but well a broken clock’s right twice a day right? I am wasting huge amounts of time and life that I won’t get back yelling back at a troll at his own level.

      “I am sorry that something has happened to you to bring such a criticism and negative comments on this site”

      You’re not going to change my mind or Julie’s. Get over it. Other than your fellow zombies (or sock puppets) nobody is going to follow along in your JMA worship.

  8. I love and respect John MacArthur, and I know he’s not perfect, and I don’t always agree with him when it comes to Theology and Doctrine, but I know he’s the real deal! The man is authentic and sincerely loves Christ. And it comes through in his Preaching and Teaching Ministry.

  9. SP, I’m sorry for the loss of your friend J. Schubert from Covid at Grace. Questioning a lot of things. It’s frustrating how so many still don’t know they perpetuate baseless conspiracies about the health protocols at the expense of the physical health of others during this health crisis. Unfortunately the Covid toll looks like:

    Vladimir D. (reported from ShepCon)
    Alexey K. (reported from ShepCon)
    J. Schubert (your friend)
    TMS student/GCC member (from report)
    H.Z.N. (Initials of Grace member who passed at the beginning of this year from Covid likely from an outbreak)

    ..and probably more. I get MacArthur may have done good in the past but I don’t understand the insistence for the politically motivated, QAnon inspired, protest of health protocols and ignoring/downplaying the impact/deaths that they have had and unfortunately continue to have.

  10. Hi Brian Patrick
    Thanks for everything. I took notes from your last post. Thanks for “smacking me around. Sin you pointed out that I smoke weed. And my excessive eating since I weigh 300lbs…. well you caught me in my bad elite apologist way. I thought I was obeying Ecclesiastes 9:10
    “Whatever my my hand finds to do. Do it with all my might”. As an elite lying, pot smoking, fatty, elite and 19 year old apologist trying to use my elite skills to apply the text. One correction. I don’t live in my stepdad’s basement. I live in a van down by the river. So with that the smacking begins.

    BRIAN PATRICK
    JANUARY 29, 2021 AT 1:33 PM
    KC,

    Against my better judgment and in violation of my own word, I can’t resist the urge to smack you around a little more. Maybe I’m burying myself deeper but I learn from the best, you (and your fellow zombies).

    “Brian Patrick. I am a family man with 2 boys, I served in the US Army.”

    Do you really expect me to take your word at that? You are anonymous initials on the internet. You could be a nineteen year-old, 300-pound dropout in his stepdad’s basement who smokes weed and trolls the internet all day for all that I know. With the number of grammatical errors you make (not to mention everything else), I struggle with the notion that you are a mature, rational, educated adult.

    ——- well since I’m 19, 300lbs, smoke a lot of weed, liar,
    But you learned from the best. Really you can teach me. I’ve listed some more of it. Thanks.

    Your right (You’re) I’m not going to change your mind. I’m not saying you are a fool. I am a 300lbs loser. Who never served in the military and I constructed a John MacArthur fanboy and I made a John Mac face on a puppet and we have conversations. It’s easier that way when your 300lbs. I’m an elite 300lbs apologist, who is hurt by you because you agree with Julie Roy’s on an informative article,. Thanks for “smacking me around a little more. I’m glad you learn from the best.. I live in my dad’s basement and smoke weed and I’m in trouble with the grammar police ( which I hate these phones they will change a word I type and I need to triple check). I’m sorry for loving the Bible and for being amazed by Jesus. I shouldn’t brag. I need to live by the example an actions as you do by smacking me around a bit because you have learned from the best. I am sorry that a wretched and brag and love my other god Trump) I need some more smacking around from one who has learned from the best. Your right I think that my unkind fanboy language of hurting those who disagree with me and I need some weed and smacking around from you. Sets me straight. How could I call myself and ELITE APOLOGIST when I screw up Your and you’re.. my bad again. Sorry again I thought I could read your heart and you not see John’s heart I thought only fanboys could read people. Okay boomer “ not sure what that means but your right

    I’m sorry I’ll let Julie and Brian Rebuke/moderate/ban me. I forgot this is her site not mine. Thanks man. Your like the Holy Spirit. Smacking someone around is totally appropriate behavior.

    “You say you agree ,yet you never use the scripture to elucidate your points. You attack people and I can see why they were out on you. That’s your deal not theirs. This next statement encapsulated a lot of things you say.”

    I”don’t know what your point is…
    I need Scripture to say that rape and child abuse are sins? I need Scripture to say that an orange is orange and the world is round? I need Scripture to say that due to gravity and physics it’s not smart to jump out a thirty-story window and assume God will save me? A brilliant apologist such as yourself surely knows that there are three types of divine witness/revelation, and what “creation witness” or “creation revelation” (common observation of facts) is, but maybe you don’t.” Your right I don’t have a point. I just spew in the wind

    “ Iam going to make the assumption that you are a 5PC given your reverence for MacArthur and the GTY organization. With that in mind, this attack on me requires an abandonment of your dearest principles. Since you think that good theology saves, clearly there’s no room for irresistible grace in your heart–the only other conclusion is that you are conveniently temporarily abandoning it to throw stones at me.” No I’m on 19 and a fatty I don’t have time to read John Calvinim too busy eating and smoking weed in my step father’s basement

    “3. Regeneration in the blood of the Lamb saves.
    Dude that makes zero sense. Those statements are disjointed thoughts and have no relevance. When people point that out you attack and name call”
    “Of course it makes no sense to you, apparently in your cosmology revering and adoring “holy men” is what gets you to heaven.” That’s why I have you to smack me around and you have the best teacher so I can follow you and stop my idolatry.

    “I goby fruits. I go by what I can see. I can’t look inside your soul. I don’t know if a word you say is sincerely meant but taking you at face value, you are all of these things. I’m not the one who fanboys people and takes such personal wounding at another calling out the speakers/leaders I like. I *appreciate* Julie Roys, Joe Carter, Tim Keller, John Cooper from Skillet etc. but I sure as heck don’t consider them to be perfect or anywhere close and if they are wrong or someone gives me evidence of unrepented moral failing on their part I’m not going to bury my head in the sand. Unlike you I appreciate the sacrifice Hus and Wycliffe made so that we aren’t required to lionize church leaders and to the greatest of my ability I won’t ever do that.”
    -I’m sorry but I laugh at people who are burned at the stake. I need to be more appreciative and do to the greatest of my ability.

    “You call yourself an elite apologist and Scriptural scholar and don’t know the difference between YOU’RE and “your”? Lol.”
    ——- sorry again. I’ve never write a book or spoke at huge conferences. But I can’t get you’re and your right. Grammar 101 for my fat, lazy, weed smoking and lying self.

    “Totally no reason to wonder if you might be the same person with multiple sock puppet usernames right?”
    —— let you in on a secret Dewey, John and I think we have triune abilities. We are three but really 1. We communicate on FaceTime with are sock puppets. Btw KC is a knick name for Trump/MacArthur lover. Man I was told only the elite were their fanboys. Smack -smack -smack. The refined has been so kind.

    “Your words and responses has actions of a foolish, narcissistic, bullying, mean spirited, unreasonable, sarcastic, unregenerate, zero logic, destructive, arrogant, non-rational, hurtful and 2 Timothy 3 warnings of your characteristics.”

    I want you to look up the definition of “projection” and get back to me on that.”

    ——— I did your right sorry for projecting my elite fanboy, weed smoking, 300lbs 19 year old, 5 point Calvinist . Please be careful when you smack me around my extra lbs can be bouncy

    “When you belittle the word of God as you did about the list of passages and in particular Psalm 34:8. Sad!”

    Yeah nice try. If I am against John MacArthur and his words I’m against the word of God! Nice try. You wonder why people call you an idolator.”

    Well I don’t wonder anymore. I get all my ideas from John MacArthur on Psalm 34:8. I don’t have any original thoughts. God’s not dumb enough to trust me with an original thought. But by his grace and your smacking my 300lbs body around. I can get on the right track.

    “Your comments about my thoughts on Julie Roy’s are baseless. I appreciate her work and her courage. If Julie ,as you claim, believes that everyone should agree with her (Which btw I’ve listened to a lot of her podcasts, purchased her book and I see humility in her) in everything she writes and just agree with her.”

    I’m to take you at your word that you bought her book? Hahahahahaha! Your actions in this article refute your profession of being pro-Julie so no, I don’t believe anything you say.”
    ——— your right. Julie I am sorry for not being Pro-Julie and if I had a different perspective on an argument I have Brian to correct me

    “But these statements you made are hardly a representation of that intent of others and your vernacular is non-Biblical. Perhaps, foolish. It is what Jesus calls foolish, and when Jesus calls you a fool then you are a ________________.”

    Because you call me a fool, then Jesus himself calls me a “fool”? Oh my word. Did Jesus personally visit you and speak to you about me? Are you claiming a special revelation? You and Joseph Smith both! If so you have a much higher bar to clear than I do. I’m going to guess that you are an anti-Charismatic and a cessationist. If so, then you just threw all your principles out the window.
    ———- I’m sorry for being anti charismatic. (Even though unlike MacArthur I’m a continuist . I believe all the gifts are operative in some form today. But for this Purpose I am 💯 % Anti-charismatic)

    “This is just 4 out of 108 statements I have read and highlighted that shows your intent and vernacular.”
    No, please list all of them. I think you pulled that number out of thin air, but go ahead and use this opportunity to score an epic beatdown.” Your right I’m lying again, but when you smoke weed as I do ‘0’ looked like ‘108’. Or I might have been confused with how many times I smoke weed and eat during the day.

    “Can you actually point out when and where I said that? If so I will confess my sin of idolatry!”

    This entire beef is 100% because your feelings are hurt that I dared to agree with Julie and others on “God’s anointed” Johnny boy. A non-idolater isn’t going to fanboy the way you do.
    —— got it! I will agree with you. This beatdown is edifying.

    “THIS HAS ZERO TO DO WITH JULIE ROYS. She is not writing from a ARGUMENTATIVE OR PERSUASIVE perspective/style. All it is an INFORMATIVE ARTICLE. She gave zero imperatives for her readers. Nor did she insert herself in the story. Oh ya that’s called journalism.”

    Nice try, pretend to be neutral and impartial now, after the fact, after you’ve spent pages tantruming against anyone who’s against your white-haired messiah (the Reformed Benny Hinn).

    ———I’ll be more neutral like you. Neutrality means to agree with you and not pretend to be neutral.

    “It may be wisdom finally sinking in. God help us all as fallen and sinful people.”

    You’re right that I lack wisdom. That might be the only thing you’ve been right about in this wizzing match, but well a broken clock’s right twice a day right? I am wasting huge amounts of time and life that I won’t get back yelling back at a troll at his own level.

    “I am sorry that something has happened to you to bring such a criticism and negative comments on this site”

    You’re not going to change my mind or Julie’s. Get over it. Other than your fellow zombies (or sock puppets) nobody is going to follow along in your JMA worship.

    ——- thanks for your correction. Now you will have to find and help my other zombie friends .

    I’m kidding and sad.I have never been attacked like this. I did egg him on. I knew he couldn’t resist the bait. He made it too easy. We need Jesus to come back! AMEN?

  11. KC, forget about opening your eyes about JMA. You need help, man. You need counseling. That’s not just a witty comeback, btw.

    Brian

  12. Brian Patrick and to all who have been following this feed. I’ve been following this Julie Roy’s with her articles and finally just starting to express thoughts and scripture to subjects in this site. However when Brian Patrick threatened me and said that I will smack me around a bit. You stated that you have learned from the best. My eyes are opened about John MacArthur. He’s a flawed person who loves decimating the TRUTH. Just like you and I, God can and use those with issues to show His grace and the need for Him to fulfill the gospel. From Adam and Ever, Jonah, Abraham, Jacob, Ruth, Esther, Joseph, Moses, Joshua, Gideon, Sampson, Samuel, David, Solomon, Elijah, Elisha, Isaiah, Jeremiah, John the Baptist, Peter, James, John, Paul, Barnabas, Timothy, James, Jude, Wycliffe, Hus (as you have mentioned), Martian Luther, Dietrich Bonhoeffer, John Knox, J.C. Ryle, John Stott, Martyn Lloyd-Jones,
    Adoniram Judson ( Most profound man I have ever studied), Adrian Rogers, D.L. Moody, Sam Storms, Philip Graham Ryken, Joseph Stowell, John Piper, Thomas Schreiner, D.A. Carson, R.C. Sproul, J.I. Packer, Bryan Chapell, Bruce Ware, J. Vernon McGee, Graeme Goldsworthy, Vern Poythress and John MacArthur (And so many people to long to count and are not famous. But Sara Hansen was the godliest woman I never met. She faithfully taught Sunday school from 20-95 at the same church. She taught 5 generations in 1 family. Amazing! She was the kindest, person that I’ll never forget).These flawed individuals were all from different times, theological constructs, views of scripture and different perspective on life.The one thing they all lacked is the fact they they are not the Son of God. But even in spite of themselves, Jesus acted in behalf of their lives (Philippians 1:6 Ephesians 2:8-12, Hebrews 12:2 and James 1:2-8). Brian Patrick, I hope you can be a man like these men were. They had/have every sin struggle under the sun. Yet, they are under the Son. I forgive you for the name calling, you threatened me, accusing me of idolatry, my appearance, and said things about others that were very divisive in the Body of Christ. My personality is one to stand up when people are embroiled in polemics. Then, I put myself at the center of it. That’s my choice. My sin was egging you on. I couldn’t believe this was real. I was waiting for a friend to message me saying I was just messing with you. Then, the Biblical comments made me realize you are real. I read our dialogue with my wife and young adult boys. She was frightened by your words. She said I hope he doesn’t get our names and address. My boys and I said I think we’re fine. But I pray that the Lord works on you as He is working on me. I’m sorry to the rest of those who have watched or posted on this site ( Particularly this article) and to Julie Roys. Commentary on an informative article should never get out of hand. I thought what if a non-believer saw all of us tear down this man and each other. I apologize to all of you who will read these messages and say why become a Christian? This is not different than the world I come from. I’m not attacking the articles on this site. Brian, by the grace of Jesus Christ, one day we can Taste and See that the Lord is good. Allow our hearts to be gripped by His Love. Showing that His Death on the cross, drinking every last drop of His Father’s wrath was the single greatest act of love ever. Humbling.

  13. More and more Julie Roys is sounding like the Covid-19 police and Trump hater. The congregants at Mcarthur’s church know full well they don’t have to attend if they are afraid of the virus. No one is being forced to attend his church. Those that get it, get it. Our church in Texas allows us the option of either wearing a mask or not. Stop living in fear.

    Remember every flu season prior to 2020 people were dying of the flu in the thousands yet no one said anything, no masks, no lockdown, no fear and no one criticizing others (Julie Roys) for attending a church, with the flu and without wearing a mask. Live your lives. You’re more at risk of dying from a lightning strike or on the road. Take your vitamins, Hydrocloriquine, Zince and D3s, educate yourself about how to prevent the virus and whatever you do *STOP LIVING IN FEAR.*

  14. Everyone tests positive for Covid-19. That’s how the tests are designed. Why is everyone so eager to advertise they tested positive for Covid-19? Masks and vaccines are the new earthly idols…..

    How virtuous are we?

    I’m humbled that God doesn’t utterly wipe us out for how eager we are to follow every wind and tide…..

  15. Julie,
    You sow division. You continue to try and create the narrative—assume people’s motives— create bits and pieces of a story with holes, gaps, assumptions, amateur reporting. Shame on you. Take your liberal so called Christianity and investigate something worth exposing in the corrupt wicked secular world—oh, but that’s not salacious enough? You could write a million stories over—but no, Attack the church instead? You are an accuser of the brethren. You sit on Satan’s throne. Repent.

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